White House Struggling to Deny Stephen Miller Murdered Boats of Fishermen
There’s a telling part of the Guardian story reporting that Stephen Miller was in charge of the decision to blow some Venezuelan fishing boats up. The article starts by describing previously undisclosed bureaucratic maneuvers via which Miller created his own little National Security Council.
Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, has played a leading role in directing US strikes against suspected Venezuelan drug boats, according to three people familiar with the situation. At times, his role has superseded that of Marco Rubio, the secretary of state and national security adviser.
The strikes on the Venezuelan boats allegedly carrying narcotics, which the administration has claimed were necessary because interdiction did not work, have been orchestrated through the homeland security council (HSC), which Miller leads as the homeland security adviser.
Miller empowered the HSC earlier this year to become its own entity in Donald Trump’s second term, a notable departure from previous administrations where it was considered part of the national security council and ultimately reported to the national security adviser.
As a result, the HSC has taken the lead on engaging the Venezuelan boats, the people said, a situation evidenced by his top deputy, Tony Salisbury, and others being the gatekeepers to details about what boat to strike until they are about to occur.
That was the case for instance with the second Venezuelan boat hit with hellfire missiles on 15 September. While the White House was informed the Pentagon had identified the boat as a viable target more than four days before, many top White House officials only learned of the impending strike hours before it happened.
Then it provides the White House comment saying, oh yeah, that means the President did it.
A White House spokesperson said in a statement the strikes were directed by Trump, saying he oversaw all elements of foreign policy. “The entire administration is working together to execute the president’s directive with clear success,” the statement said.
This thing already had all the trappings of “Trump’s” Alien Enemies Act declaration, starting with the transparently false claims of intelligence. In that case, Trump said he’s not the one who signed it.
That also extends to the legal justification.
John Yoo (even John Yoo) publicly explained that you can’t just blow up people you claim are drug traffickers.
[T]he U.S. cannot wage war against any source of harm to Americans. Americans have died in car wrecks at an annual rate of about 40,000 in recent years; the nation does not wage war on auto companies. American law instead relies upon the criminal justice or civil tort systems to respond to broad, persistent social harms. In war, nations use extraordinary powers against other nations to prevent future attacks on their citizens and territory. Our military and intelligence agents seek to prevent foreign attacks that might happen in the future, not to punish past conduct. To perform that anticipatory and protective function, we accept that our military and intelligence forces must act on probabilities, not certainties, to prevent threats that might never be realized.
Law enforcement, by contrast, punishes perpetrators for crimes that have already occurred. The U.S. has long considered drug trafficking a matter for the criminal justice system. The difference in purpose dictates different tools. The FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration — not the U.S. armed forces — have prime responsibility for interdicting drug smuggling (although the military can play a supporting role). The FBI and DEA seek to disrupt the operations of drug cartels with the traditional tools of law enforcement: collecting evidence, arresting suspects and imprisoning the guilty only after a trial. Deadly force may be used only if necessary to defend the law enforcement agent, or another person, against an imminent threat to life.
As an official in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, I was at my desk on Sept. 11, 2001. I advised that the U.S. could wage war against al-Qaeda without blurring the distinction between crime and war. After 9/11, the U.S. declared that it would wage war for the first time against an organization, rather than a nation. But the drug cartels alone do not present a similar challenge that rises to the level of war.
Crime is generally committed for personal gain or profit rather than a political goal. Drug cartels employ murder, kidnapping, robbery and destruction to create a distribution network, grab turf from other gangs, intimidate rivals or customers, and even retaliate against law enforcement. National security threats, such as terrorist groups, might resemble organized crime in some respects, but the Mafia and drug cartels are unconcerned with ideology and are primarily out to satisfy their greed.
Yoo effectively suggested (or rather, suggested, as ineffectively as he is wont) that if the Administration could just tie the trafficking to the Maduro regime, then blowing up fishing boats would be cool.
The use of military force against the cartels may plunge the U.S. into a war against Venezuela. But a conflict focused against the Maduro regime is not a broad, amorphous military campaign against the illegal drug trade, which would violate American law and the Constitution.
The White House has yet to provide compelling evidence in court or to Congress that drug cartels have become arms of the Venezuelan government. That showing is needed to justify not only the deportations (which were just overturned by the conservative U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit) but also the naval attacks in the South American seas.
If the administration does meet the high standards for war, it would open the door to another set of difficult problems: Every member, not just of the Venezuelan armed forces but also of the drug cartels, would become a legitimate military target; the U.S. could attack and even occupy Venezuelan territory; and all Venezuelans here would become enemy aliens.
But recognizing a state of armed conflict against Venezuela would prevent the misuse of the tools of war to fight the eternal social problem of crime.
That Yoo piece was September 23.
About a week later, DOD’s General Counsel attempted to explain this all to the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Senators on both sides of the aisle pressed the Pentagon’s top lawyer in a closed-door meeting to provide a better legal explanation for striking alleged Latin American drug boats in the Caribbean, according to people with knowledge of the matter.
In a classified Senate Armed Services Committee briefing Wednesday, the Pentagon general counsel, Earl Matthews, detailed the legal basis for the military’s attacks ordered by President Trump.
Matthews repeatedly referred to Trump’s designation of certain Latin American drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, which he said granted the Defense Department unilateral authority to use military force against them, some of the people said. Matthews refused to provide a written justification for the strikes, which legal experts say is necessary for transparency and accountability.
Just a day after the closed-door briefing, Trump declared in a confidential notice to Congress that the U.S. is in a “non-international armed conflict” with the cartels. In the document, which was sent Thursday to Congress and viewed by The Wall Street Journal, the administration dubbed the cartels as “designated terrorist organizations” and said it “determined that their actions constitute an armed attack against the United States.”
But it didn’t work. In the most US Congress move ever, the SASC didn’t tell DOD to stop blowing up fishing boats, but did instruct them to come up with some better legal excuse for doing so.
Some of the Republican and Democratic lawmakers who attended Wednesday’s Armed Services Committee briefing expressed concern about the administration’s rationale and urged officials to devise a stronger legal case, some of the people familiar with the discussion said.
And that may be what precipitated the “notice” to Congress that, like all else, Trump had usurped their authority to declare war, too.
President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week.
The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times. It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.
Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts.
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The Trump administration has called the strikes “self-defense” and asserted that the laws of war permitted it to kill, rather than arrest, the people on the boats because it said the targets were smuggling drugs for cartels it has designated as terrorists. The administration has also stressed that tens of thousands of Americans die annually from overdoses.
However, the focus of the administration’s attacks has been boats from Venezuela. The surge of overdose deaths in recent years has been driven by fentanyl, which drug trafficking experts say comes from Mexico, not South America.
Yeah, Miller wants to include Mexico in here (or at least including Mexico as a threat of invasion). But what’s to stop with Mexico, when you’ve already got an Executive Order claiming that China’s supply of fentanyl precursors is a national emergency.
This is an example of the kind of thing that’ll show in my upcoming post on Miller: He’s great at accruing bureaucratic power, simply usurping the National Security Council on his way to usurping most functions of Congress. But he’s really really bad about the details, about the actual facts, like making sure something is legal before you do it.
And thus far, the facts here say that Stephen Miller murdered a bunch of fishermen in callous blood.
Marcy,
To me, the declaration as potentially much more significant and dangerous than your excellent article suggests.
Trump is “Declaring War” on these gangs. The declaration of war, is supplementary to the Jan 2025 EO on gangs, which stopped short of involving the military or the Secretary of Defense (as he was then called) and directed the DHS and other departments to make recommendations on dealing with gangs.
If you read the latest declaration and the actions re Venezuelan boats in conjunction with the Jan 2025 EO’s objective of “total elimination” of gangs inside the US, and in conjunction with his speech at the recent “all-hands” meeting of the Generals where he reiterated his intention to deploy the military to US cities, the results are potentially very dark and dystopian.
I hope that I’m wrong.
The problems with declaring war on the gangs like this are twofold: there is no Congressional authority (not even the AUMF covers this) and gangs are usually adept at asymmetric warfare. That means all of this cosplay with the National Guard, ICE and the police will prove to be ineffective at some point, and the gangs for their part aren’t going to follow the Geneva Conventions either. That’s even before considering the probability that TdA and their ilk will be seen as modern-day Robin Hoods standing up to Convict-1’s imperial overreach. Think of how the Pirates of the Caribbean movies have whitewashed piracy in general (my only regret is I never hung any from the yardarm in my USN days).
It appears that Miller’s idea is to pick on an opponent that (he thinks) should be easy to crush so Convict-1 can preen about being a war president. As usual, Miller and the WH didn’t do their homework and will open a can of heavily armed worms. Or, perhaps the idea is to goad Venezuela into a war, but the WH doesn’t understand that Maduro would be seen as someone like Bolivar versus the Spanish Empire. He will not go down easily even if the other Latin nations don’t join him. Either way, it’s a coward’s play by MIller and Convict-1.
If this country can be saved, it will be because Stephen Miller IS NOT A LAWYER–nor does he evince any interest in learning mere laws–but that is not sufficient by itself. He must cloak himself in “presidential immunity” if he wants to get away with this crap, which is why he keeps saying these are “Trump”‘s actions. And most crucially, SCOTUS must continue to bless ever more blatant constitutional violations. That is Miller’s bet.
May it become Miller’s Crossing? Given this corrupted SCOTUS, I doubt it. But we’ll see.
and plus, isnt the Maduro government a Putin client?
Is Miller/Trump and their schemes/dreams of war putting the US on a collision course with Russia in this Caribbean arena?
I’m aware of how that might work.
Indeed, I thought of an OLC opinion Yoo wrote authorizing the use of troops to raid apartment buildings after the Chicago raid the other day.
But thus far, that attempt has backfired in the US.
This is the kind of thing that the ICC addresses, but the US never ratified joining the International Criminal Court. Geneva does cover a lot of ground including treatment of civilians as well as combatants when conflict is present. This policy of Miller’s fails both options, and the Geneva Conventions were ratified by the US and IIRC used at the Nuremburg trials.
The service branches aren’t short of lawyers. Am curious as to what those lawyers told the Joint Chiefs about the legality of the operation and the possible personal exposure they have. “Just following orders” went out of fashion in 1945.
Things we thought vanquished by WW2 are coming back strong. That’s what happens when you either don’t teach history or filter the truth out of it, leaving only the impression that strongmen do great things and must be supported. Oh yeah–and that all doubters are traitors.
The service branch lawyers have been culled by Trmp since Day One. They are doing to the military lawyers what they’ve done to the Supreme Court and the Department of Justice.
OT, but even aside from the constitutional issues, this will grease the skids for America’s descent. At some point you need boots on the ground, and like previous presidents, President Miller will reach for the special forces. Already from their contact with narcos in Afghanistan and other sandbox adventures over the last 25 years, JSOC has developed a strong culture of drug smuggling. See the recent book The Fort Bragg Cartel by Seth Harp. If Delta, the Seals and the rest of them are tasked to go after actual cartels (as opposed to fishermen) closer to home, how long will it be before some of the operators go Zeta?
“The Fort Bragg Cartel” – I have been waiting for this book to get to my library, and if it doesn’t come before I finish the book Clarence Thomas should have read before deciding on Breun, “Autumn of the Black Snake”, I will have to buy it. I have despised the longest war that has wrecked our rights since I figured out that my parents were told to “lie” about drugs. Art Linkletter’s daughter poisoned a lot of minds and ultimately made big Pharma loads of cash hooking people on Meth, Oxy and Xanax in lieu of Cocaine and Opium. There were far less overdoses in my formative years than in the years in which my children would have grown up. Plenty of my friend’s kids have either died or been close to death from our choices about what constitutes a drug.
Sebastian Junger tried to blame the loss of Afghanistan on Obama’s actions, but agreed with me when I opined that by not legalizing Opium prior to invading that country the war was already lost. Now that Seth Harper’s book has come out, I now have to wonder if the use of water testing of rivers in SA by the US Military to pinpoint Cocaine production was used for interdiction purposes or for obtaining supplies for friends and family?
At my 50-year HS reunion, some years back, we were talking about drugs, and they weren’t really a Thing in our school before the anti-drug programs were instituted.
After years of travel, as well as maintaining a semi-close relationship with various types of naturally occurring plants, I think the drug exposure during the time period of which you speak is location, location, location. In the suburbs of Dayton, Ohio, weed, barbiturates (Red Abbotts), soapers (Lemmon & Rohr 714s), acid and mushrooms were all available in JR. HS, while cocaine arrived by my senior year (81).
When I talk to people from less connected parts of America, there is certainly far less exposure to the types and kinds of drugs I could obtain. In essence, larger cities produced drug exposure similar to my experience, while rural exposure, especially to cocaine was far less.
Greg, we were mid to late 60s, 50 miles from SF, and mostly didn’t do drugs or even alcohol. (Which may be why so many are still around.) After 1970 or so, it was more likely.
Lawfare did a podcast interview with Harp back in August: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily—the-fort-bragg-cartel–with-seth-harp.
and why was Geo HW called “Poppy”?
it never seemed creditable that it had anything to do with his being a beloved paterfamilias.
Thanks for spreading the demoralizatsiya—it always helps my attitude in the morning. /s
If they are going to take out boats they claim are bringing drugs into the country by ordinary fishermen, I don’t think it would be safe to go fishing on the Great lakes anytime soon.
What is the point of us decrying an action as illegal?
I said this ages ago, when Bmaz was still moderating, that without the willingness and the capability to enforce, law is meaningless.
Where do we stand on that scale now with a lawless president being aided and abetted by Congress and the SCOTUS?
We the People are the only safeguard left.
When even John Yoo – author of the “torture memos” providing “legal justification” for the “enhanced interrogation techniques” used by the Bush administration – thinks you don’t have sufficient legal justification for doing something, I would suggest that means you have a serious problem.
Yeah, blowing up those boats was out and out murder. And the eleven people on one boat does not sound like a drug-running operation to me. Add this to the ever-growing list of crimes committed by Miller, Trump, and the rest of this administration. There needs to be accountability for all of this.
Venezuela is thousands of miles from the US. Drug-runners wouldn’t be using small boats for that kind of trip – they’d be using airplanes or freighters, and probably shipping via Florida.
HEGSETH announced yet another strike, this morning:
https://bsky.app/profile/jameeljaffer.bsky.social/post/3m2ckflmcqc2p
October 3, 2025 at 1:04 PM
Legal Flaws in the Trump Administration’s
Notice to Congress on “Armed Conflict” with Drug Cartels https://www.justsecurity.org/121844/trump-notice-drug-cartels/
Marty Lederman October 3, 2025
There’s been a ton of analysis of the strikes on the supposed cartel boats over at Just Security; it’s worth browsing through their archive.
Chris Geidner reposted:
https://bsky.app/profile/kvetch.gay/post/3m2dfpy7lhc2m‘\
October 3, 2025 at 9:12 PM
Trump officials discussed sending elite Army division to Portland, text messages show
A high-ranking White House official was indiscreetly texting about the Portland, Ore.,
planning last weekend, according to messages shared with the Minnesota Star Tribune.
CLEAN ON OPSEC! [again]
I recall it was also Miller who gave the ok to bomb Yemen in the Signalgate chat.
Something to the effect of “As I heard it, the President was a go.”
I believe there is error in calling them fishing boats. I believe they were refugee boats, wanting to leave the failed and evil Maduro regime. Headed to freedom, and the decision was to blow them out of the water as easier than rounding them up if they infiltrated our fair land and spread out. Nor a beginning of a new phase aimed at regime change in Venezuela by sinking shipping. Although regime change would be a nice side effect, if it turned out that way. (We’re better at managing vast oil reserves anyway.) So – Just refugees that Miller was aiming pre-depotation logical steps toward making deportation tasks more contained and achievable. Get ’em before they walk our soil. All part of the plan, and if Antigua does not take notice, they may lose a boat or two. Hit them in the Caribbean, before they even get to the Gulf of America.That’s policy and planning in Trumpworld. A step ahead of the enemy infiltrators. We could even blow up the boats onshore, before they touch water. Why not? Efficiency is its own reward. Like getting all those 4-stars in one place so multiple lectures were unneeded. One and done.
Fishing boats are much more likely, given how far it is from Venezuela to anywhere else.
1. Germany has a well-accepted universal jurisdiction law for war crimes and crimes against humanities. Technically, “Völkerstrafgesetzbuch,” or VStGB (for short, but only for short in German).
2. US v. Alvarez-Machain established that international bounty hunters doing illegal kidnapping to “acquire” suspects is acceptable to the US SCOTUS.
3. In re Yamashita establishes that the chain of command is responsible for actions of subordinates, up to and including war crimes.
4. Judge Reed O’Conner hijacked US foreign policy for partisan and racist reasons under Biden with the “Remain in Mexico” policy, ordering the US President to accede to whatever Mexico demanded to maintain the policy.
These people are by turns exceptionally dumb and exceptionally privileged. Legally, having Brett Kavanaugh snatched, detained at a black site, rendered to ICC to stand trial for war crimes as a co-conspirator to Stephen Miller is consistent with current US precedent, and could be considered a mandate if another Trump judge tells the President how to negotiate with foreign countries.