Geithner NY Fed & Congress Knew About AIG Bonuses All Along

It is not just torture hearings on the training table this morning, there is a plateful of AIG/Bankster/Bailout fun on tap too. At 10:00 am EST, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will hold a hearing on “AIG: Where is the Taxpayer Money Going?”.

In advance of the big hearing, David Cho and Brady Dennis in the Washington Post have a significant article out this morning confirming what any sane mind has thought all along, namely that the government and the Fed were way deeper in the muck of the AIG bonuses, and knew full well about the issue, long before they have admitted:

Documents show that senior officials at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York received details about the bonuses more than five months before the firestorm erupted and were deeply engaged with AIG as well as outside lawyers, auditors and public relations firms about the potential controversy. But the New York Fed did not raise the alarm with the Obama administration until the end of February.

Timothy F. Geithner, who became Treasury secretary early this year, was the head of the New York Fed when it became aware of the bonus details. But his name is not among those of senior New York Fed officials mentioned in the summaries of phone calls, correspondence and other documents obtained by The Washington Post.

Those documents also illuminate who in the government, beyond the New York Fed, knew what about the bonuses at AIG’s most troubled unit, and when.

By Sept. 29, the bonus matter first appeared on the radar of the New York Fed, which was designated as the primary contact for AIG, documents show. Senior officials from the New York Fed met with AIG officials to discuss the compensation plans in place at Financial Products, whose risky derivative contracts had brought the insurance giant to the brink of collapse.

AIG e-mailed officials at the New York Fed copies of the company’s compensation plans, which detailed bonuses and retention payments, including those at Financial Products, documents show. The issue arose in scores of meetings and conference calls over the ensuing months. AIG also disclosed its retention programs in public filings.

Weeeeeeee! Another shocking instance of gambling going on at the casino. Or not. Actually, when we first learned of the Semtex laden AIG Retention Contracts there were immediate questions as to how it could be that the Fed and the rest of government had no idea of the explosive potential. Now that we know they knew, it sure is hilarious that Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, in mid-March 2009, tried to devise a laughably bogus plan to fix the very same problem he apparently full bore ignored in October 2008 at the previous job where he was supposedly the smartest kid in the room.

Of course, it wasn’t just the New York Fed, and their purportedly detached head, that have completely misrepresented their depth of knowledge of the pending AIG Bonus Scandal. Congress did too (and they also attempted an inane hasty fix to the problem they had long known of):

Key members of Congress began investigating the payments as long ago as October and, beginning in January, repeatedly warned the Treasury about the matter.

The spark that would grow into a political firestorm began in October when lawmakers began to request documents about the compensation at Financial Products.

Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.) in particular latched on to the issue.

By January, AIG was feeling heat from lawyers at the House Financial Services Committee, and from the offices of Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski (D-Pa.) and Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.), who one staff member noted in an e-mail to AIG was "very upset about these payments." Kanjorski has said that around this time his staff began calling the Treasury about the issue and sending letters, but communication was hindered by the transition between administrations.

Note that both the Fed and Congress folks were jabbering at the Administration, both that of Bush and Obama, on this long before either Administration has fessed up to. Another shocker. There are a lot more specific facts and discussion in the Washington Post article, and it is worth a full read. In fairness, it is certainly not like we didn’t suspect such duplicitous complicity out of these officials, but the starkness of it sure brings the fury of the initial Bonus Babies Scandal revelation right back to the front burner. And just in time for today’s hearing. Go figure.

Now, back to the hearing, the official press announcement describes it as follows:

At 10:00 a.m., Chairman Towns and Ranking Member Issa will offer their respective opening statements and then Chairman Towns will swear in the C.E.O. of AIG, Mr. Edward M. Liddy, at approximately 10:15 a.m. Mr. Liddy will then offer his opening statement followed by questions from the Committee members. At the conclusion of Members’ questions for Mr. Liddy, Chairman Towns will swear in the second panel of witnesses [comprised of AIG Trustees and a professor] and proceed with their opening statements, followed by Members’ questions.

The hearing will be broadcast in-house on channel 32 and available on the Committee webcast at 10:00 a.m.

The prepared testimony/statement of AIG Chief Ed Liddy is here and the AIG Trustees here.

If you are interested in high finance, and torture is not your cup of tea, tune in and turn on. Of course, that is not to say that the slow rot coming out of Tim Geithner, Congress and the AIG saga isn’t torture, it most certainly is.

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  1. bobschacht says:

    This is another case of Tim Geithner not seeing anything wrong with what the Banksters were up to. The other day on TV when questioned about where is all that tough regulation that was supposed to protect the taxpayer, Geithner listed all the tough new regulations that they were going to (?future tense?) impose on the financial services industry. Is this future tense jibberish? Or is Treasury really getting serious about regulation?

    Eliot Spitzer was on Rachel Maddow tonight claiming that we really have all the laws and regulations on the books that we need, and what was needed was an appetite to enforce those laws and regulations. Any sign Geithner & Co. are actually doing that? Or is he still going easy on all his old pals?

    Bob in HI

  2. bobschacht says:

    OK, here I go with some late night musing.
    Why are bloggers like EW different from pundits like David Broder?

    The difference is that most of Washington’s pundit class make a living talking to people. They get their scoops and their headlines from talking to people. They ride the DC weenie circuit cocktail parties talking to people.

    What do bloggers like EW and Murray Waas and the folks over at TPM do? They comb through the blizzard of paper that Washington generates looking for nuggets. When we say “EW must be off in the weeds again,” what we usually mean is that she’s reading some key documents that have just been released. That’s how she got her “183″ scoop. EW learned her chops in graduate school studying documents.

    To the Washington glitterati, that’s boring. Heck, if people see you talking with Rahm Emanuel, you score points. If people see you pouring over some papers in a library, eeeeewwwww! Boring! No points! You’re wasting time when you could be seen talking to someone important! To be a pundit, you have to be seen talking to people, especially important people. When pundits talk about doing research, what they mean is talking to people. Pouring through a 1000-page report with sufficiently focused attention to find the nuggets? Boring!

    Now, there are some people who have a talent for both. Jane Mayer, for example. And some of those people who spend most of their time talking to important people actually remember how to ask a good question. Bob Woodward used to, but I think he may have forgotten how. Sy Hersch remembers how.

    But doing actual research on that blizzard of paper that gushes forth from Washington? Bo-o-ring!

    That is one of the things that makes bloggers like EW so special, IMHO.
    Put another nickel in the tip jar, please.

    Bob in HI

    • TheraP says:

      I was actually thinking some about this myself, bob. In fact I sent an email a bit ago, describing how EW’s work includes both her close reading of texts and the value of this group. That Marcy’s gift and the value of her “work” also includes the group of people who comment and add value in the threads. I personally think that too many of the reporters and especially the pundits lack such a genuine group process to provide a measure of “objectivity” (a check on subjectivity) and thus greater reliability overall, when you look at the body of “work” produced. So EW has attracted what I consider to be a ‘work group” – a kind of experiment in research and analysis. It could not be as successful, were it not for the overt and covert structure that is operating here as well. That keeps the place relatively troll free and keeps things moving forward in a productive way, while still allowing for friendly banter and the kind of release that humor adds.

      That’s my meta observation.
      On the level of a reader, a sometime commenter, and also from a professional perspective. This is a very healthy system going here. It’s open enough to allow new contributors but structured enough to prevent extensive disruption. And crucial work, necessary for the future of this country, is being done here – every day. I second your advice. This is a worthy cause to contribute to.

      • Palli says:

        In addition, the open quality of this group makes journalism an on-going generative process that simultaneously rewards, stimulates, and motivates Marcy and other original thinkers in the group during the process and validates the sensibilities of the rest of us. Ideas are alive with the shared excitement of exploration and understanding. My educator father, too old to practice the interactive web world, would have said Marcy makes a great learning environment and that is the gist of life. It is a honor to remember him by listening here.

        • klynn says:

          …too old to practice the interactive web world…

          My parents are information hounds and quite analytical. Like you, my father was an educator as well and he thrives on the news updates I deliver to him from Marcy, bmaz and FDL. Often, I have to cut and paste into a word doc to pull together “the best of the day” and deliver it to them.

          After they listen to the MSM and they have had their daily cuppa of real news from me, they are quite enlightened which medium is providing news analysis. What really gets them charged is when two days to two weeks after I have given them news analysis from here (which is different from news), they hear exact quotes in the MSM from Marcy as well as the commentors.

          They agree with bmaz, this is the new news and the more hands it gets into the more will realize it.

          Thanks for your dedication EW and bmaz. Son-of-klynn calls the group here the Green Mountain Gang (instead of Boys). And it is great EW has a great judge of character and has delivered bmaz to cover when she travels. And we all know what happens when she travels! So, we need bmaz!

          On topic:

          Geithner should be out.

    • ThingsComeUndone says:

      Access Journalism Judy Miller style vs EW many bloggers and the better but ignored media people.
      It seems you can’t get the top MSM jobs doing real reporting.

    • robspierre says:

      Brilliant!

      Your insight sheds light on the ongoing torture scandal. Real interrogation and real intelligence gathering–reading lots of dry, boring stuff and thinking about it, the way EW does–is not sexy enough. So no matter what the evidence shows about relative effectiveness and no matter what a normal conscience has to say, Washington wants “24″: short sound clips and some vigorous action.

  3. TarheelDem says:

    I would like some more detail on the argument regarding Congress. Are you saying that because folks like Elijah Cummings were raising the issue in October, no member of Congress can claim they were surprised that AIG was doing this? Or deny knowing about it?

    And there needs to be a similar investigation into the Bank of America bonuses to Merrill Lynch executives. I’m pretty sure coverage of this was going on in the October-November time period. Which is why some folks in Congress wanted to put compensation limits in the original TARP legislation. That move was not an abstract concern for the taxpayer, it was based on fairly contemporaneous news that corporations that were losing money were paying bonuses.

  4. RIRedinPA says:

    Based on the previous three post about the AIG bailout I guess I am obligated to say EW is great. : D

    Ok, back to topic on hand. I actually have little issue with the bonuses being paid to the AIG staff. Let me rephrase that a bit, in consideration of the fact that we’re pumping $170B+ of taxpayer money into this pig I have little issue with $165M of it being spread amongst 6400 employees to cover contractually agreed upon bonuses.

    Should these folks get the bonuses. I don’t know. They’re contractual and without the contract who knows what the terms were, they could be performance based, they could be trivial like showing up to work on time, its all speculation. And for all I know the people receiving the bonuses could have performed well enough to have kept AIG from losing even more money than it did.

    Not that I want to carry the water for any AIG executives, they make me pine for the days of the Puritans when we had public stockades. And not that I don’t see the bigger picture, Chris Dodd trying some midnight hanky panky to push the legislation through, Geithner playing innocent and now seeming to have his hand in the cookie jar all along. If they have to pay the piper politically speaking for their actions so be it, but I’m finding it real hard to get ‘marching in the street’ fired up over this issue.

    I’m more fired up over the corporate socialism going on in bailing out these failed companies in the first place. We’re arguing over who took the pennies from the ‘take a penny, leave a penny’ jar and while doing so and distracted by such someone stole the whole damn cash register.

  5. druidity36 says:

    Thanks Bmaz for your tireless efforts. You are the river that nudges the rock that is Emptywheel.

    Way OT, i know. But with all the talk of EW’s invauable contributions to FDL, i wonder… what type of legal structure is FDL? Are they a worker owned collective? A cooperative? An LLC?

    I’ll be attempting to start up a collectively run worker owned photo lab… so that’s where my mind’s at lately.

    In the process, i hope to get loans and grants from non-traditonal sources. IOW, no big banks for us.

    And yes, the workers will get bonuses (when the lab does well). But i hope 10% of profits can go towards a Community fund for promoting Photography with kids.

    Cheers to all this morning…

  6. emptywheel says:

    All

    Thanks for the kind comments and I absolutely agree that one of our great strengths here are the contributions from the commenters.

    But this post is from bmaz–a really important part of this community (and, thankfully, the guy who filled in during my very busy week last week).

  7. Jane Hamsher says:

    Wait a minute! Say what??!! Geithner knew?

    Wow, no shit. Who would’ve figured. I mean, aside from anyone who’s been paying even remedial attention.

    • SouthernDragon says:

      One thing certainly hasn’t changed over the last century and a half or so. The Villagers think we’re all idiots. Just cuz we’re not all gazillionaires doesn’t make us stupid.

      • eCAHNomics says:

        Having worked on Wall St., I can assure you that they determine intelligence by your net worth.

        Nice story. Taxiing in to see Texas employees investment fund in Austin, a particularly obnoxious salesman was asserting to me that “he who dies with the most toys wins.” Without skipping a beat, the taxi driver sez “he who dies with the most toys still dies.”

        • klynn says:

          Taxiing in to see Texas employees investment fund in Austin, a particularly obnoxious salesman was asserting to me that “he who dies with the most toys wins.” Without skipping a beat, the taxi driver sez “he who dies with the most toys still dies.”

          I’ll take that nice story and add the question:

          And when was the last time you saw a hearse pulling a U-haul?

        • SouthernDragon says:

          Drop 5-6 of ‘em in a jungle with me and they’ll learn a new definition of net worth.

    • bobschacht says:

      Hi, Jane!
      Thanks for setting up such a superb shop here at the Lake.
      You da hostess wit’ da mostess! I love to hang out here because you’re setup seems to attract the most intelligent conversations on the innertoobz!

      Bob in HI

    • klynn says:

      “…aside from anyone who’s been paying even remedial attention.”

      Jane, still chuckling.

      On that observation. Regarding the topics of the economy and torture, my neighbors are clueless. They do not even follow the news or engage in being informed. Shared some of the torture news with a neighbor yesterday and all she could repeat was, “We did this? The United States did this? You’ve got to have your information wrong.”

      I went back home. Printed off some documents. Highlighted the important parts walked back outside and took the neighbor through the docs. She choked up and was shocked. I mentioned that more torture pictures were going to be released at the end of the month and walked her through how our American democracy structure had been destroyed in the name of torture.

      We need to be taking information from here, into the streets. People are quite uninformed or engaged. Many count on THAT reality.

      • Leen says:

        I have given up on those with their pedals to the metal on the way to the mall. Walking dead…numb…they often really do not care about anyone but themselves.

        • klynn says:

          I know what you are saying. But I am finding I am getting through. When I reach out in a calm, rational, well documented fashion and walk someone through, I tend to have success.

          • Leen says:

            Have done the same with folks but just do not have the patience as of late

            Just contacted Chris matthews to ask if he would have Marcy on to discuss the torture hearings and her live blogging. Wondering if others will contact Hardball, Rachel, Olbermann, Ed. They need to have Marcy on

          • robspierre says:

            I have had the same experience.

            The problem is that so many are accustomed to perpetual crisis. They fear for their houses and their jobs and their kids and they parents and their health. They have no time for reflection, for getting their heads above the grindstone and looking around. The current economic strategy–falling wages, lost retirement, ARMs, usurious credit-card rates, expensive and fragile health care–create constant insecurity that concentrates power at the top of the income scale and divides have-nots from their fellows.

            The above applies to me too. I can’t talk to nieghbors as widely or as often as I feel I should and can’t pester my elected “representatives” and newspapers as often as I should. But if more of us canvassed five neighbors or five people at the coffee shop over the course of a week or two, we might start to see something. People are vaguely angry now. All that is needed for near revolution is a little focus and clarity.

  8. eCAHNomics says:

    Of course, it wasn’t just the New York Fed, and their purportedly detached head, that have completely misrepresented their depth of knowledge of the pending AIG Bonus Scandal.

    Fixed it for you.

  9. Leen says:

    thanks Bmaz. On one of Bill Moyers programs he mentioned that Former Secretary of the Treasury Hank Paulson had said the efforts to restrict executive compensation and bonuses would not “hold water”

    Turned out he was absolutely right. What the hell was congress doing when Paulson was holding a gun to their heads saying “give us the money”

    OT since Marcy is in D.C. I am contacting the Diane Rehm show asking Diane to have Marcy on to discuss the torture hearings and her live blogging. I have been successful at pushing for folks on that program. Diane’s team actually listens to their listeners.

    Will folks join me in contacting the Rehm Show and asking if they would have Marcy on?
    http://wamu.org/programs/dr/contact_us.php

    They look like they have a to be announced slot on Thursday. Maybe they could fill it in with Emptywheel

    • TimWhite says:

      What the hell was congress doing when Paulson was holding a gun to their heads saying “give us the money”

      They continued cowering in fear – as they did when they saw Paulson approach the sink, turn the fawcet and begin filling the red plastic piece with “ammunition.”

  10. Knut says:

    It comes down to the question of how short-term credit – i.e. working capital– has come to be financed in the United States. In the olden days (as my nephew characterizes anything that happened before 1980 — a good share of that capital was extended through lines of credit, though to be sure, a healthy share came through the issuing of short-term financial instruments — i.e. money market instruments. However, in the past 30 years the money market came to displace almost completely lines of credit for major businesses. It was cheaper for them, because their instruments were being insured by firms like AIG.

    Comes the crash in September when Lehman Brothers goes down. The short-term money market freezes up; banks can’t borrow from each other, which freezes their means of managing lines of credit. The economic system was literally seizing up like an engine with a serious oil leak. This is what frightened the Fed and the Treasury. It was the economic doomsday scenario.

    This takes us to the next part: to get that part of the market working, the insurers who had come to be the main providers of liquidity had to be shored up The problem was and is that they were and are still bucket shops. But to shut those shops down risked throwing the economy into a much worse depression than the one we are currently experiencing, though in the end with the long draw-out, it may turn out to be just as bad as the short and extremely painful alternative.

    It’s pretty cleear that no one seriously considered the option proposed by Stiglitz, Roubini and Krugman, which was simply take over the bandit banks and let the bondholders take the hit. But not having done that got them involved in subsidizing a criminal enterprise, and that’s where we are now. As long as these institutions are essential to the smooth functioning of the short-term credit market that pays salaries and raw materials, we are at their mercy, or so it seems.

    It would be nice to get a second opinion on this, since the present situation is untenable, economically and morally.

  11. SanderO says:

    Speaking of meta levels it’s right there that the financial industry got themselves into deep do and were are still facing collapse since they are like many people completely “over extended”. Plain and simple this means they took on “obligations” in the form of complex financial “instruments” and products which have turn out to be really boneheaded ideas.

    So these institutions face their end unless someone figures out how to get rid of the nasty ventures they got themselves into. They could let them fail, cancel the whole lot and some chaos would ensue and lots of bankster would take very short haircuts – a lot more than are at present. They could try to be the genie back in the box by some forensics, some prosecutions, some haircuts, definitely restructure things down there and get the bad players banned from the game permanently. Or they could throw money at them and see if the gamblers return to the table and hopefully tone down their betting strategies. In the last option no one get a haircut, no once goes to jail, no one gets banned from the game and if they simply manage the asset bubble go round America can resume her addiction to consumerism and insane growth and spending and of course credit.

    The problem of course is the incestuous relationship (nepotism) going on with government and finance. The players who are supposed to be watching are the same ones at the gaming table only yesterday and most certainly will be tomorrow. I give you Robert Rubin. Does “conflict of interest” ring any bells?

    This will never be “solved” by the wolves watching the henhouse.

    Expect more of the same and the motto is – They never learn, because it’s not in their interest.

  12. katiejacob says:

    OT, sorry (especially if this has already been discussed elsewhere) but,there is an announcement in the NYT this morning: Marcy Wheeler, EmptyWheel.FireDogLake.com wins 2009 Hillman Prize in blog category. Congratulations Marcy!!!!

        • klynn says:

          Here’s the write-up Marcy:

          Just last month, Marcy Wheeler made the front page of the New York Times with her discovery, in a May 20, 2005 Justice Department memo, that Khalid Sheik Mohammed had been waterboarded 183 times in one month. Last year, Wheeler’s groundbreaking investigative work on the CIA leak case also made the front page of the Times. Her first and best reporting on the Attorney General Alberto Gonzales scandal helped to bring him down. Many consider Wheeler’s liveblogging of the Scooter Libby trial in 2007 one of the seminal moments in online journalism. Wheeler also had outstanding coverage last winter of the American auto industry crisis. Combining her background in the industry with a deep commitment to standing up for American workers, her depth of analysis was unrivaled.

            • klynn says:

              You saw my comment at 9:

              They agree with bmaz, this is the new news (journalism) and the more hands it gets into the more will realize it.

              Okay bmaz, this is a big day for you too. In one post someone comments essentially that, “bmaz is right!” And then moments later, you are honestly able to state, “I told you so,” due to the release of some big news.

              It must have been killing all of you to keep this under raps! Marcy, what a great gift to your family, personal, professional and web-based.

              And a, “Thank you!” to Mr. emptywheel for supporting you in your gift and supporting you in sharing you gift with the larger circle of readers/commentors here.

            • TheraP says:

              Congrats to Marcy! And your presence is, of course, invaluable, bmaz! Truly, I think those who’ve watched threads unfold here know how loyal and steadfast this group is. American Patriots. Not just journalism. It’s heartwarming.

          • Twain says:

            This is just great ! Marcy is the best and we are so lucky to have her here. The NYT article should be sent to every one in Congress with a note attached saying “we’re watching you.”

      • BooRadley says:

        SECONDED, Congrats Marcy!

        Thanks bmaz for the post.

        OT, concur with Bob Schacht that Spitzer did a great job on Maddow last night.

        • eCAHNomics says:

          I like his role a lot better as an outsider than as gov. He doesn’t play well with others.

      • dmac says:

        Congratulations, Marcy!!!

        But they left out your book in your mention, so, I wrote a note….Sell more books, more moolah, more research time…yayah.

        Hi;
        Thanks for selecting Marcy Wheeler for an award. It is deserved. However, I wondered why, in her Bio, you left out her book about the Valerie Plame/Dick Cheney leak, Anatomy of Deceit. It was the only one of its kind at the time and her research on that subject was why her liveblogging at Scooter Libby’s trial was so informed and insightful. She didn’t miss a trick. Seems that a ‘book mention’ would help to further inform people reading about her, and help Marcy get her book out there. You did mention works authored by the other winners and other works by the non-literary winners, why not Marcy’s? You also didn’t list any for Professor Green, but did mention that he has authored many things.

        She is an incredible researcher but is also gifted with being able to concisely consolidate her research and put it back out there to inform others. She is a unique talent. Please add her book to her credits. It is another incredibly detailed work product of hers that is still being proven accurate, years later, even as more documents are released by our government.

        Sincerely,
        d————–

    • Leen says:

      She certainly deserves that recognition and more. Please contact the Diane Rehm show and ask them to have Marcy on to discuss the torture hearings and her live blogging

      I’m going to send that write up about EW in another request to the Rehm show.

      they really do care about what their listeners think and want
      http://wamu.org/programs/dr/contact_us.php

  13. cbl2 says:

    Kanjorski has said that around this time his staff began calling the Treasury about the issue and sending letters, but communication was hindered by the transition between administrations.

    fyi – Congressman Kajorksi is on today’s committee

  14. ThingsComeUndone says:

    Geithner does know this banking crisis will get worse before it gets better right?
    He does know that the government cannot bail every bank out? He does know that some banks will fail in a year or two no matter what he does?
    Giving bankers bonuses before their banks failed but after their banks get bailout money could put him in the running for the Economics text books Herbert Hoover Economic Moron of the Century award.

      • ThingsComeUndone says:

        His lack of knowledge provides gallows humor snark for every non coolaid drinking economist, stock person, regular person worried about their jobs.
        His blinders are pride? Trust in his friends the experts? Belief in Chicago School Economics in defiance of current reality? Complete Madness?
        Arrrgh! I can’t predict actions on this level of stupid!

        • eCAHNomics says:

          I think Geithner’s a simple minded puppet of power pimps. But that’s only an hypothesis.

          • robspierre says:

            Nobody is that simple–and I doubt he is getting poor doing what he is doing. I’d question his honesty and his patriotism before I’d question his native intelligence.

            On the other hand, long-time devotion to conspiratorial selfishness has to give you tunnel vision. Geithner is so blindered by Wall Street experience and so focused on his Goldman goal that the dangers his course poses are now largely invisible to him.

  15. NorskeFlamethrower says:

    Firepup Freedom Fighters:

    I’m stayin up after workin’ all night…so is the torture hearing on C-Span3?

  16. eCAHNomics says:

    Whitehouse got a hair touchup. It’s gray today, after being purple on Rachel last night.

  17. Leen says:

    check out what C-span is calling “torture” today
    “harsh techniques”
    Subcmte. Examines Lawyers Who Approved Harsh Methods
    Today

    A Senate Judiciary Subcmte. looks into the legal conduct of Justice Dept. lawyers who approved harsh interrogation techniques. One of the witnesses, fmr. FBI agent Ali Soufan, interro-
    gated Guantanamo detainee Abu Zubaydah.
    watch Hearing on C-SPAN3 at 10 am (ET)

    Hearing Cspan3
    http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

    • klynn says:

      I think Whitehouse “owes” Marcy an exclusive does he not? He promised to get back to her!

      • Leen says:

        I so want to see and hear Marcy on Olbermann’, Hardball, Ed’s or Rachels. What is taking them so long to have her on? This is the perfect opportunity…blogging the torture hearings.

        Senator Lindsay Graham ”’what a damn hypocrite what a spin sucker.

        “nobility of the law” this man is making excuses for torture
        Sept 11 Sept 11 Sept 11 Sept 11
        Senator Graham”the nation was rattled”

        and decided to torture and invade a country based on a “pack of lies

        Graham fails to mention that the “few men” reinterpreted and re wrote torture laws.

        Graham sure has disrespect for the Army Field Manual

  18. NorskeFlamethrower says:

    I got it…jest came up online…Whitehouse puttin’ it up on the tee now

  19. Leen says:

    Whitehouse “prosecution vindicates the law”
    “sad day” “loathsome what a few men did”

    Whitehouse makes me want to believe

  20. cbl2 says:

    “that you would read your political opponents in to a crime does not make sense”

    tell that to Gov Siegelman putz!

  21. cbl2 says:

    “kangaroo courts”

    ya mean like when two elected representatives submit a colloquy to SCOTUS under false pretenses . . . ya mean like that ?

  22. eCAHNomics says:

    Graham: Torture is not a crime, but Pelosi is guilty because she knew about it (allegedly).

  23. Leen says:

    Graham “love for the law” Hogwash!

    “damaged our reputation”

    this guy is jumping all over the place. Which is it Graham you do or do not have a “love for the law”

    • eCAHNomics says:

      Yes, he’s all over the place. Incoherent, but who would be surprised about that?

  24. NorskeFlamethrower says:

    Firepup Freedom Fighters:

    Fuckin’ Lindsey Opie Graham…I can now admit it: I am bigoted against anyone with a fuckin’ Southern accent and I am reminded of the great line in Finnean’s Rainbow “Read the Constitution??!! I been too busy defendin’ it to read it?”

    Time for a new Radical Reconstruction of the fuckin’ old Confederacy…time to send federal troops down there and relocate some a those fuckers.

  25. Minnesotachuck says:

    Congratulations, Marcy!! And bmaz. You certainly deserve some of the glory, if only available by reflection.

    As one who reads EW religiously but doesn’t contribute all that often or profoundly, I think the comments of BobSchact, theraP and Palli at the top of the thread are right on. The more insightful commenters here deserve some reflected credit as well.

    klynn, thanks for the link to the Hillman foundation announcement. Like you mentioned at #24, I too try to spread the insights gained here as widely as possible.

  26. Leen says:

    Graham “that what we do looking back may impede how we move forward”

    did he say that?

    Leahy “elite legal office” “misused it’s authority”
    “ends justifies the means” “not reasoning that stands up”
    “President acted above the law”
    “no one is above the law”

    Oh Senator Leahy we do want to believe that. Sure not looking like it when it comes to the crimes committed by the Bush administration the last eight years. Millions dead, hundreds of thousands injured, millions of refugees, people tortured, frozen, allegedly KSM’s children treated inappropriately,
    How low can we go?

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