“Civil War Started:” Zach Rehl’s Blow-by-Blow of the Riot

Since Jonathon Moseley has taken over as Zach Rehl’s defense attorney, he has filed a series of really ridiculous motions.

On Friday, according to a filing purporting to argue that Zach Rehl should be released on bail, FBI agents raided Whallon-Wolkind’s home.

Rehl’s attorney, Jonathon Moseley, claimed that because (he said), “Aaron Whallon-Wollkind did not join the events in the District of Columbia on January 6, 2021, whether the peaceful demonstrations or the violent attacks by a very, very few against U.S. Capitol Police … the Government has no basis for investigating or charging Whallon-Wollkind other than his connection to Zachary Rehl” [all three forms of emphasis Moseley’s], which in turn Moseley claimed was proof that the government still did not have any evidence against Rehl.

It’s a colossally stupid argument, almost as stupid as Moseley’s last two filings, in which he admitted that the Proud Boys “‘circle[d]’ (in a rectangle) the region around the Capitol to monitor the risk from counter-demonstrators,” an encirclement plan that had been publicly tied to obstructing the vote count in advance, and then argued that because Ali Alexander, a brown person who took credit for organizing the Stop the Steal rallies, had not been arrested yet, his [white] client should not have been either.

The government responded to these motions in two different filings yesterday. One motion opposed Rehl’s request for a Bill of Particulars, for discovery that (a table in the motion shows) DOJ has already provided, and for a Parler post that DOJ says doesn’t appear to exist. Another motion opposed Rehl’s bid to reopen his pre-trial detention.

The latter basically argues that all the ridiculous gaslighting Moseley is doing has not presented anything that was not known to Rehl when Tim Kelly last denied his motion for bail.

In his motion and the three supplements, the defendant raises no information that was both unknown to him at the time of the original detention litigation before this Court and that would have a material bearing on the detention decision. The Court should accordingly decline to reopen the detention hearing and should deny the defendant’s motion.

Along the way, the motion makes a point I keep making: the Proud Boy leaders keep excusing their actions by claiming some tie to Trump’s speech or a protest, except that they never went to his speech, heading instead to the Capitol to kick off a riot.

The defendant focuses on what the videos show of the Proud Boys’ activity prior to the breach of the Capitol grounds, and it focuses on two videos that were explicitly made for public consumption. The defendant’s reliance on the videos mentioned in the First Supplement moreover ignores the evidence of the conspirators’ coordinated actions immediately prior to, and again after the breach of the First Street barriers. The defendants arrived near the site of the Ellipse—where speeches were to occur—and then immediately marched to the Capitol away from the demonstration. The defendants were not there for a peaceful demonstration; they went to the Capitol to participate in a violent protest.


The Court should not accept Rehl’s invitation to conclude that the fact that the Capitol Police issued some permits negates his mens rea. See Mem. at 10-12. The defendant has not proffered that he knew of any permits issued or that he believed he was participating in a permitted demonstration when he rushed past trampled police barriers. If that is the defendant’s subjective memory, he certainly knew that on June 30. But setting that aside, any claim he makes now—for the first time nine months after the riot—that be believed he was participating in a permitted protest should carry no weight in the Court’s analysis, as those claims are belied by the fact that the defendant entered the grounds not at the site of any permitted protest, but through trampled police barriers.


The best proof of what defendants planned is what they did—and did not do—on January 6. They did not attend the demonstration at the Ellipse; they marched to the Capitol. And the defendant celebrated the group’s accomplishments and characterized it for what it was—violence and threatened violence to corruptly influence the vote of the American people.

The government motion scoffs at Rehl’s claim to support the cops, noting that a fundraiser Moseley pointed to in a supplement supporting his renewed bail request had been started the day he submitted the filing, and had raised no funds.

The defendant also proffers that he is the son and grandson of police officers and is a longtime supporter of the “back the blue” movement. E.g., Second Supplement at 3. This information, even if true, was known to him at the time of the June 30 hearing, and thus does not provide a reason to reopen the hearing. The fundraiser that the defendant allegedly set up “to raise money for any injured police officers,” see id., is not material to the Court’s detention analysis. According to an ICANN9 lookup, the domain name healcapitolpolice.com was registered on October 6, 2021—the same day that defendant filed the First Supplement referencing that website and the alleged fundraiser. As of October 15, 2021, that website redirects anyone who clicks on it to a GiveSendGo crowdfunding page that states that the campaign has raised $0 and “is currently disabled and can not receive new donations.”

It shows that because of the way Rehl’s lawyer submitted a Reuters article that (I’ve shown) misunderstood the investigation, it cut off a reference to Rehl and his co-conspirators.

The passage Moseley failed to include affirms that FBI had discovered the Proud Boys had a goal of breaking into the Capitol.

Stone, a veteran Republican operative and self-described “dirty trickster”, and Jones, founder of a conspiracy-driven radio show and webcast, are both allies of Trump and had been involved in pro-Trump events in Washington on Jan. 5, the day before the riot.

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

But the most interesting part of the motion includes citation of multiple texts Rehl sent during the riot, which (the government claims) not only proves that Rehl lied in a previous filing about texting only his spouse from the riot, but shows he was providing a blow-by-blow account of the riot to four other people in which he stated, before Dominic Pezzola broke into the Capitol but after they had surged onto Capitol grounds, that “everyone raided the Capitol.”

In addition to the post-election rhetoric the Court cited in granting the government’s motion to revoke the magistrate’s release order, many of the defendant’s statements from January 6 and 7 underscore the government’s assertion that he possessed a criminal mens rea on January 6. For example, in contrast to defendant’s claim that “gathering at the U.S. Capitol was specifically authorized” by permit (Mem. at ¶ 55), shortly after defendant and his coconspirators had surged onto Capitol grounds, Rehl texted four other contacts, “Everyone raided the Capitol.” At the time that text was sent, 1:15 p.m., the defendant and his coconspirators had pushed into the West Plaza, but they were still approximately 30 minutes from beginning to push up the stairs to the Upper West Terrace. At 1:34 p.m., Rehl texted the same group, “We’re at a standstill, cops are dropping concussion bombs and pepper spraying, people are pepper spraying back and fighting riot cops.” At 2:29 p.m., after hordes of rioters had entered the building, defendant texted the same group, “Civil war started.”4 He followed at 2:48 p.m. with “They just broke all the doors and windows open, people are pouring in.”

The defendant’s statements after January 6 further underscore that the defendant’s focus on that day was not Antifa. On January 7, 2021, he texted the same group mentioned in the previous paragraph, “Trump basically conceded. We lost our country, we shoulda held the capital” and “Once Pence turned his back he was fucked, but was hoping we all sent a message yesterday, I guess that was the message to ben [sic] the knee, its depressing.” In a different Telegram chat on January 7, Rehl stated, “Looking back, it sucked, we shoulda held the capital. After [T]rump conceding today, it all seemed like a waste.” He continued, “The reason why it feels like a waste is because instead of all these politicians getting scared and realizing they need to answer for this fraud, they are all turning on Trump and cucking, they are doubling down on their actions. Everyone shoulda showed up armed and took the country back the right way,” and “I imagine the next time people aren’t showing up unarmed. I’m not trying to fed post, I’m just stating facts, normies turned on the cops man, we didn’t start any of the violence, all we did was a couple of chants.”

4 These text messages stand in contrast to the defendant’s assertion that he only texted his wife to let her know he was safe and that he only knew of the full scale of the attack at the time of the impeachment trial. See First Supplement at 8.

Zach Rehl described the riot on the Capitol that he and his co-conspirators kicked off as a “civil war.” That expresses a mens rea that goes well beyond simply trying to obstruct the vote count.

58 replies
  1. John Paul Jones says:

    After reading this, I wondered who Moseley was, and found an early 90s style webpage which appears to be his. (No inset quotes because I don’t know how to do that.)

    “Moseley’s depth and inter-disciplinary abilities have often proven extremely valuable to finding the best solutions for a client’s real needs instead of superficially applying knee-jerk, ‘off the shelf’ legal responses. Many attorneys know only the practice of law, and see things only within their familiar patterns.
    Jonathon Moseley brings a breadth of experiences and knowledge to legal assistance for clients, drawn from a three-dimensional and diverse career. Moseley’s depth and inter-disciplinary abilities have often proven extremely valuable to finding the best solutions for a client’s real needs.”

    To me this sounds like Mr Moseley may have become, over time, a bit of a conspiracist, that is, he believes he sees secret connections between things. I don’t get a clear idea from his bio what he means by a “three-dimensional” career, but apparently one of the things it means is he “lived and worked among Latvian society like a native, speaking the local language of business, Russian.” Out of that experience, he says, came his novel, (Cold Peace), which appears to be a sorta junior Tom Clancy effort. From the Amazon blurb:

    “Washington journalist Katherine Reilly simply wants to advance her career. She grew up overseas in embassies while her father was a diplomat. Now she reports on foreign policy and diplomats, yet also develops a dangerous romance with the Press Secretary of Russian Embassy’s in Washington. She is thrilled with international assignments as an eyewitness to history including in far-flung places like Chechnya and Rostov-on-Don, where rag-tag Russians try to repel the fanatical Mujahideen.”

    Only $20. Apart from this, Moseley’s career prior to turning himself into a lawyer seems to have been as a fringe player in Reagan-era Washington. As a lawyer he seems to have been mostly concerned with business law, and on the criminal side, “the … team of Virginia Attorney Jonathon Moseley with legal strategist and consultant Norm (“Storm”) Bradford (aka “The DWI Guy”) offers unparalleled criminal defense.”

    I won’t link to his webpage as it’s easy to find.

    • subtropolis says:

      “… the Press Secretary of Russian Embassy’s in Washington.”

      How difficult is it to proofread the blurb one submits? (I checked that it wasn’t JPJ’s goof.) It goes on to describe a “murky world of intrique” in several clunky, run-on sentences. Not the best “publicity spotlight”, Jon.

      (Why would Mujahids be invading Rostov?!)

      • John Paul Jones says:

        I suspect that this is a self-published novel. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but Summerwind Marketing sounds like a company ginned up merely to allow the book to be posted on Amazon. I can see lots of “Summerwinds” in various searches, but none of them obviously linked to the book.

        As to the typo, apologies for not putting in the [sic].

        The novel has one 5-star review and one 1-star review on Amazon. The 5-star review is from somebody named Jim Freeman who lives in Norfolk, VA.

      • Leoghann says:

        You beat me to it on the “Embassy’s.” And as to your question, there’s only one obvious answer: Latvian mujahidin. They’re even more frightful because they’re so unknown.

    • Leoghann says:

      As you touched on, “three-dimensional and diverse” could hide a host of ills, and catering to a client’s “real needs” brings to mind things like airline tickets to non-extraditing countries, including some where Russian is “the local language of business.” I only wonder why he’s not in partnership with John Pierce, Esquire.

      It seems that Mr. Moseley is so fond of fiction that he includes it liberally in his filings. We may laugh, but we didn’t just cough up a six-figure retainer to some three-dimensional bozo with a DWI-Guy partner to get our Golden Child out of some major federal charges.

    • mospeck says:

      “Civil War Started”

      “..Mr Moseley may have become, over time, a bit of a conspiracist, that is, he believes he sees secret connections between things. I don’t get a clear idea from his bio what he means by a “three-dimensional” career, but apparently one of the things it means is he “lived and worked among Latvian society like a native, speaking the local language of business, Russian.”

      Over here civil war seems to have been declared official, but it’s not only over here. Snow is general all over Ireland.
      inside article—crows sit on grave crosses in section of cemetery reserved for coronavirus victims in Kolpino outside St. Petersburg on Oct. 12. (Dmitri Lovetsky/AP) Your photog magnificent compostition that VanGogh would like.
      There does appear to be an excess of mortality going on, vlad superhero mobster motherfucker (who’s set new standards for mobsters everywhere).
      vlad man, just accept it and don’t be afraid..
      40, 000 men and women everyday (like Romeo and Juliet)
      40, 000 men and women everyday (redefine happiness)
      Another 40, 000 coming everyday (we can be like they are)
      Come on, baby (don’t fear the reaper)
      Baby, take my hand (don’t fear the reaper)
      We’ll be able to fly (don’t fear the reaper)
      Baby, I’m your man

    • Ravenclaw says:

      Along lines of “who is Jonathon Mosely?” – Has anyone knowledge of his antecedents? I know it isn’t a terribly uncommon family name, but wonder whether there is a family connection with the notorious General Van Horn Mosely? In other words, intergenerational right-wing extremism. Only asking in hopes that one of the clever souls here can answer yea or nay.

  2. Curveball says:

    After finishing law school in 1996 Moseley went to work at Judicial Watch, then the fairly new creation of Larry Klayman. It started out as a vehicle to vex the Clintons, so Moseley would have been active in the pursuit of conspiracy theories. The efforts expanded beyond the Clintons and Klayman became a significant right-wing vexing machine. Klayman has been much a more interesting character than Moseley. He and Judicial Watch split some years ago and he’s become the vexee. In August the D.C. U.S. Court of Appeals upheld a $2.3 million judgement against him by Judicial Watch, which has continued the right-wing conspiracy-theorizing ways Klayman instilled.

    • EG Gordon says:

      If Moseley first got exposed to legal work under Larry Klayman who has been described among other things as a “frivilous litigator” (Garrett Evans in The Hill January 31, 2017), there’s nothing more to be said here.

  3. subtropolis says:

    “… except that they never went to his speech, heading instead to the Capitol to kick off a riot.”

    And, even before that, had mobbed a group of Park Police at the Washington Monument. (I’m very curious about that incident not yet having appeared in any filings.) Although their comms do include some hopeful discussion about beating on Lefties, there’s also quite a bit of anti-cop sentiment on display:
    – – –
    UCC-1: I want to see thousands of normies burn that city to ash today

    Person-2: Would be epic

    UCC-1: The state is the enemy of the people

    Person-2: We are the people

    UCC-1: Fuck yea

    Person-3: God let it happen . . . I will settle with seeing them smash some pigs to dust

    Person-2: Fuck these commie traitors

    Person-3 It’s going to happen. These normiecons have no adrenaline control . . . They are like a pack of wild dogs

    DONOHOE: I’m leaving with a crew of about 15 at 0830 to hoof it to the monument no colors

    Person-2 Fuck it let them loose

    Person-3 I agree . . . They went too far when the [sic] arrested Henry as a scare tactic
    – – –

    That some in the mob were using their “thin blue line” flags as weapons against the cops is rather another giveaway. (How any police officer could now look fondly on one of those flags I’ll never understand.) As was Milkshake’s “take the fucking Capitol” war cry.

    • dannyboy says:

      Nice narrative on the Instigators agitating the Mob to do the dirty work.

      Clean Hands remain for the Leaders.

    • emptywheel says:

      There are a couple of big gaps that haven’t made it into filings yet, perhaps most intriguingly the December event.

      In other potentially interesting development, one of the prosecutors from the Pezzola conspiracy just got added to the Nordean/Rehl one, suggesting they may be joining them.

      • Rugger9 says:

        I would also suspect the Select Committee might get / have some stuff too in the documentary weeds they’ve already subpoenaed / received. That would also shine a light on the sedition plotting.

        The Epik Fail breach while not admissible would certainly give more places to dig.

  4. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Two general observations from reviewing recent right wing propaganda. Byron York and others continue to claim that Jan 6th was not violent – because the mob did not use its makeshift guillotine, sorry, it’s gallows. That they had it during a riot on the Capitol grounds was itself violent, analogous to an assault vs. battery. It was also violently racist, given the history of its use during Jim Crow. By design, the propaganda distracts from the many weapons, traditional and makeshift, found at and stockpiled nearby, and used during the riot.

    The other item is the right’s campaign against supposedly needless vaccines, because Covid “only” kills 1% of its victims. In its view, that makes mandatory vaccines violent government overreach and an assault on personal privacy and choice. (Never mind the many routinely required vaccines we’ve come to live with since the 1950s.)

    Those are nauseous and violent arguments, I grant you. But let’s look at that supposedly low 1% figure. If the US has 330 million people, one percent would amount to 3.3 million dead. One in a hundred dangerous and defective products would put most companies out of business, just as the same odds would put the entire insurance industry out of business. And I’d buy a lot of lottery tickets if I had a one in a hundred chance of winning. So, as if it weren’t obvious, the arguments are horseshit, as is anyone who sells them.

    • Larry Clark says:

      And, to continue my argument since the start of the pandemic, using deaths as the primary metric is only dealing with the tip of the iceberg.

      If these folks gave a crap about MAGA they’d be worried about the long term impacts on the infected but “recovered”. There is a ton of effort being made just to sort out all those follow-on impacts and trying to understand what to look for in the years to come, and finding ways to determine if it was caused by COVID-19.

      There is one ironic aspect of the RWNJ arguments regarding recovered people getting a “pass” on vaccination due to natural (acquired) immunity — most often citing the policies in Israel. Currently, recovered Israelis can get a 6-month waiver on vaccination requirements, but it takes a few measures that make RWNJs foam at the mouth at the briefest mention: You need to get a “Certificate of Recovery” that is linked to your National ID number. Of course, all information is in the national database, and to get into certain venues/activities you need a Green Pass that is an app on your phone, or is downloaded at designated locations. And, as was demonstrated earlier this month, a nationwide policy change can be executed overnight and everyone in the national registry can have their status changed, including having their Green Pass voided.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        After the traumas of Covid, people rightly refuse to work jobs with low pay and terrible working conditions, to put up with wage theft, no benefits or job security, and managers without the least skill in working with employees (and those who think having the slightest empathy makes them effeminate and unworthy). But the actuality and fear of long-term Covid effects would measurably add to that reluctance.

        • Raven Eye says:

          Just more uncertainty piled on top of uncertainties.* This whole workforce situation is saturated. If people are becoming more aware or sensitive to uncertainties in their lives, they are feeling risk. And when other Bozos try to prevent the government and NGOs from drying to reduce uncertainty, we’ve got a problem. “Man up. You don’t need no safety net.”

          Some of the RWNJs want to blame the workforce situation on — let’s just say — vaccination mandates, and totally ignore the magnitude of the medical and public health issues. And then there are all those other social and equity issues you mention.

          These are the same people who will build spreadsheets, read reviews, watch YouTube vids, spend hours at manufacturers web sites, and take multiple test drives just to buy a pickup truck.

          * ISO 31000/Guide 73 definition of risk: The effect of uncertainty on objectives.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          One case comes easily to mind. After surviving Covid, who wants to return to a low- or minimum wage job that offers no health insurance?

        • Rugger9 says:

          Speaking of which, that was the point of this week’s Doonesbury. I’m expecting some handwringing over Christmas deliveries (Faux has already started the “War on Christmas” drumbeat before Halloween) but I also think that the vulture capitalists that demand relentless cost-cutting will resist any changes that affect their cut. Barkbarkwoofwoof has the Sunday strip if your newspaper doesn’t carry it.

          Speaking of Halloween, I note that because it falls on Sunday this year the Dominionist fundies are up in arms and trying to do another gift-giving holiday of JesusWeen in a typical bonkers reaction. Not only is the day reference incorrect (i.e. Jesus E’en would best refer to 12/24) but “ween” is slang that is generally going to get you a trip to visit HR at work. It’s seems they didn’t learn from “Teabaggers” years ago…

  5. Tom says:

    A little OT but I just happen to be reading “Eagle and Sword: The Beginnings of the Military Establishment in America”, a 1975 book by Richard H. Kohn, and came across this quote by the Continental Army’s former drillmaster, Baron Friedrich von Steuben, who advocated the formation of a horse guard unit to protect the federal government. “Congress and its followers should never be exposed to the Mad proceedings of a Mob,” he wrote in 1783.

    Professor Kohn well describes how the generation who had fought and won the Revolution felt they were doing a high wire act without a net as they established their fragile new government following the Treaty of Paris. “How easy the transition from a republican to any other form of Government, however despotic,” wrote Congressman Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts. “And how ridiculous to exchange a British Administration, for one that would be equally tyrannical, perhaps much more so!”

    • Chepaitis says:

      Wasn’t Elbrige (Eldrige?) Gerry the first perpetrator and namesake of what we now call the Gerrymander ?
      I wonder if he ever understood the consequences of that.

        • Rugger9 says:

          Elbridge Gerry (hard “G”) was not alone, anyway. Gerrymandering has been going on for a long time by all sides, but what makes it so dangerous now are the analytics (i.e. 538, etc.) that allow someone to surgically carve out districts (as noted in a NC district ruling) to maximize the effect. I’d like to see an area-to-boundary length ratio lower limit which would preclude a lot of the block-to-block nonsense.

        • P J Evans says:

          Compactness should count more than ethnic homogeneity, in drawing boundaries. That cr*p they’re trying around Plano should be unconstitutional.

        • LeeNLP says:

          Growing up we had a rule that when one party cut the cake (pie, etc), the other party got to choose first slice. That rule might work nicely in redistricting.

      • Tom says:

        Thanks for the info on Mr. Gerry. I knew that gerrymandering was named after someone, but I wasn’t aware it was he (as Raymond Shaw might say).

        • Chepaitis says:

          The actual district was an MA state senate district drawn by the MA state legislature in 1812. When someone noted that it looked like a salamander another person answered that it was a “Gerrymander”. I don’t know what involvement Mr. Gerry had in drawing the map, but the result was that even though he lost his reelection bid his party maintained control of the state senate. He went on to be Vice President under Monroe.

  6. earlofhuntingdon says:

    David Puttnam has produced some thirty films: blockbusters like Chariots of Fire and the Killing Fields, and less well-known gems like, Local Hero. For a short, unhappy time, he ran a major Hollywood studio. He is now an expert on digital communications and data privacy, and a member of the House of Lords. On Friday, however, Lord Puttnam resigned from the Lords. In his speech, he lamented the loss of “the idea and the ideal of public life,” and the aims and intentional cruelty of both Boris Johnson’s government and the governing culture.

    His list of grievances is long. “How often,” Puttnam asks, in a criticism familiar to those who know Trump and the GOP, “do powers accrue to Parliament through a piece of legislation whose intent is the precise opposite of its title?” Johnson’s intended “reform” of the GDPR, for example. His government gives, “the impression that they’re simply ‘freeing us up from bureaucracy’, when by far the most likely outcome is the privatisation, exploitation and sale of our personal data.”

    Gutting the GDPR and other EU laws was a prime driver in Brexit, because it can be as enormously profitable for insiders as it is harmful for the average citizen. But exploiting personal data is only one item on Johnson’s agenda. He plans to gut election laws and voting rights; to restrict judicial review of legislation and executive action; to enhance police powers; and to limit free speech and the right to peaceful protest. He intends to expand the reach of the execrable Official Secrets Act; “reform” education by restricting academic freedom; and impose dramatic cutbacks in the rights protected by the European Convention on Human Rights, leading to its abandonment in the UK.

    Johnson’s agenda should be familiar. It is a transnational one that could have been copied from a memo by ALEC or the GOP. A common element is to attack, “those institutions that might act as checks and balances on a populist government that’s trampling on long held rights and conventions, with the sole purpose of tightening its own grip on power.”

    And yet Puttnam, at 80, retires with hope that the small things we do around us can rebuild trust and produce ripples that reach beyond our own little pond.


    • Raven Eye says:

      Has it ever NOT been the goal of large business enterprises to erode or neuter the influence of liberal democracies? I think there are likely more than a few old farts lingering in London clubs who still believe that life was better for everyone when the East India Company had a firm grip on the reins (and whips) in much of the Empire.

      Given the technology developed by private sector (using as much public money/resources as possible) there are now elegant tools at hand to double-down on the quest to sweep away the messiness of representative government and promote the benefits of trickle down (the economic version of a golden shower).

      Attributed to Joseph Conrad is the observation that “Millionaires are the real Anarchists”. (Adjust for inflation.)

      • Mojo Risin' says:

        That’s why Thiel is a menace, he’s already done the math and fused reactionary politics and surevelliance tech, leveraged the various pieces into each other. Soon, he’ll have at least one pet senator. Maybe two, if Mandel implodes.

  7. TooLoose LeTruck says:

    Aaaaahh… haven’t heard ‘Local Hero’ mentioned in quite a while…

    Such a delightful little movie… Peter Riegert’s 2nd best part, after Animal House… a terrific performance by Burt Lancaster… Jenny Seagrove’s first major role, as a mermaid no less…

    And Scotland looked so beautiful on film…

    • bmaz says:

      Local Hero was fantastic. A terrific performance by Lancaster is almost an understatement. Along with The Swimmer and Seven Days In May, his absolute best. Good grief, Lancaster was in some of the best movies ever. Also, Trapeze. Too many awesome movies to name check.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        And he didn’t need a double for the trapeze work, and not for Crimson Pirate. But I wouldn’t leave out the iconic, From Here to Eternity.

        • bmaz says:

          Exactly. What a career Lancaster had. I checked the IMDB on him earlier just for grins. Just amazing, and I think I saw all of them. James Matoon Scott always sticks with me for some reason, even if it was not his greatest role.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Unlike his frequent co-star, Kirk Douglas, Lancaster was easy to like. His contribution to Field of Dreams, in a small role, was pivotal. He almost stole the show.

        • bmaz says:

          I’d still go with Seven Days In May on that front, but yes. Fun story, when I was an undergraduate, I was part of something called the “Film Review Board”. It was selected film students that the professor liked and respected, and we got to go on Friday afternoons to a sweet huge screen theater (with free snacks!), along with local newspaper film critics, to preview coming movies and report how they should be advertised locally. “Twilight’s Last Gleaming” was one of them. I pretty much really liked it, but it was never a big hit.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Then you might like this piece of trivia. One of Lancaster’s oldest friends and frequent co-stars, stage name Nick Cravat (Crimson Pirate; Run Silent, Run Deep) also played the gremlin on the airplane wing that so bothered a young Bill Shatner.

    • Raven Eye says:

      If you like quirky Scottish themes, check out “Hamish MacBeth”. Streams on Acorn and maybe some others.

  8. earlofhuntingdon says:

    A reflexively pro-law enforcement description of an “officer-involved” highway crash, from ABC “Action” News. It could have plagiarized from Pravda:

    According to the Florida Highway Patrol, the trooper entered the path of the motorcyclist which led him to crash into the cruiser and become ejected. Troopers said the motorcyclist then fell into the road and was hit by a semi.

    Rewitten in English, with agency restored:

    “A Florida state trooper pulled his car into traffic at a construction site on I-4, causing a motorcyclist to crash into him. The crash threw the motorcyclist into an oncoming tractor-trailer rig, killing him.”


    • bmaz says:

      Isn’t that sweet? Why not refer everybody that refused to produce on legitimate process? Because the House Dems are lame beyond belief, and are proving it yet again. They could not do impeachment appropriately, and are screwing this up now.

      They are simply pathetic. Their stated raison de’etre is that moving on Bannon will scare everybody else into compliance. What a fucking joke. It is exactly what the Trumpers want. The House Dems are the mirror of what Casey Stengel mused about when he said “does nobody here know how to play this game”.

  9. P J Evans says:

    OT: https://twitter.com/wetchman/status/1450213925946068996
    Brian Wetjen @wetchman
    Today, in Target’s parking lot:
    GUY: Sign this petition for Voter ID?
    ME: Do I have to show ID to sign it?
    GUY: No.
    ME: So how do you know I’m a voter?
    GUY: We verify name, address, and sig via the voter registry.
    ME: You just explained why Voter ID is not necessary.
    2:35 PM · Oct 18, 2021

  10. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Media coverage of the House’s contempt vote regarding Bannon is almost as pathetic as the congressional action. It’s not a horse race, it’s not about Congress’s reputation, it’s not about positioning the Dems to defend against future GOP overreach. (McConnell and the GOP have shown that no rule stops them from getting what they want.) It’s about holding malefactors to account and to prevent them from doing it again the next chance they get.

    The same arguments apply to Biden’s BBB and its legislation. Dems should get what they can this round and come back fighting for another set of legislation in January 2022 and again and again. It’s a fucking process. A loss or concession in one round does not mean Biden, the Dems, or set of priorities and policies are falling over a cliff – unless the Dems wish it.

    • P J Evans says:

      My feeling on BBB is, cut the length rather than what it covers – in three to five years, people will feel like we should have had them all along, and will fight to keep them. But first they need to know what’s IN it. That’s the place where the Ds keep failing.

    • Mojo Risin' says:

      I knew Manchin was going to do this. It is pointless to fight it, the GOP will be able to obstruct until the end of time given the way the senate is designed and the volume of corrupt judges Mitch placed.

      It will stay this way until boomers are mostly dead, which isn’t for another 20 years. Live in another country if decline bothers you.

      • bmaz says:

        I almost did not approve this comment. Because it is asinine. No, it does NOT need to be until “Boomers are dead”, that is a ludicrous statement. And, fuck you, “you” live in another country, this one is mine.

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