When Steven Engel and Ed O’Callaghan Said It Was Legal for Russia to Hack Hillary

There’s a detail of Bill Barr’s memo declining any prosecution of Trump for the Mueller investigation that I intended to point out after it was released.

Steven Engel and Ed O’Callaghan treated Russia’s hack of Hillary as if it was not a crime.

They did so because they treated Trump’s direction to Corey Lewandowski to order Jeff Sessions to limit Mueller’s investigation of Russian election tampering prospectively, not historically, along with Trump’s efforts to constrain Mueller’s investigation in other ways. In doing so, they applied the conclusion they had drawn — that Mueller hadn’t charged any underlying conspiracy and therefore there was no underlying crime into which Trump was trying to obstruct the investigation — to the Russian hack-and-leak itself.

The Report also discusses a second category of actions taken by the President after the appointment of the Special Counsel, most notably after he learned that the Special Counsel had opened an investigation into potential obstruction of justice. Most of the conduct identified consists of facially lawful actions that are part of the President’s constitutional responsibility to supervise the Executive Branch. The Special Counsel considers, for example, whether the President obstructed justice by asking the White House Counsel to direct the firing of the Special Counsel; by asking Corey Lewandowski to contact the Attorney General and seek his assistance in narrowing the Special Counsels investigation; and by asking the Attorney General to reverse his recusal and to supervise the Special Counsel’s investigation. We do not believe that the principles of federal prosecution support charges based upon any of those actions. As noted, the evidence does not establish that the President took any of these actions because he sought to prevent the investigation of an underlying criminal offense, separate and apart from the obstruction case, and the Department rarely brings obstruction cases absent a separate criminal offense. Such a prosecution is doubly inappropriate where, as here, the conduct under investigation is lawful on its face, and the evidence of any corrupt motive is, at the very least, questionable. Federal criminal statutes should be construed to avoid criminalizing generally innocent conduct. S See, e.g., Arthur Anderson, 544 U.S. at 703-04; Ratzlaf. United States, 510 USS. 135, 144 (1994). The standard for demonstrating that a public official acted with corrupt intent is demanding. And there is considerable evidence to suggest that the President took these official actions not for an illegal purpose, but rather because he believed the investigation was politically motivated and undermined his Administration’s efforts to govern.

Moreover, in evaluating the nature of the President’s conduct, it bears emphasis that none of his requests to change the supervision of the investigation were actually carried out. The conduct under investigation is based entirely upon “directions” by the President to subordinates to take actions on his behalf that they did not undertake. In each instance, if the President truly wanted to cause those actions, he could have done it himself (for instance, ordering the Deputy Attorney General to terminate the Special Counsel or directing the Attorney General to unrecuse or to resign). After the President provided his direction, in each instance, the orders were not carried out. Of course, it is true that an act may constitute an attempt or an endeavor, even if unsuccessful. But the facts that the President could have given these directions himself, and did not remove any subordinate for failing to convey his directions, weigh against finding an intent to obstruct justice. [my emphasis]

The Lewandowski direction, recall, wasn’t exclusively about the investigation into Trump. Trump’s scripted instructions were explicitly about “election meddling,” something Mueller charged in two separate indictments. Trump’s script for Sessions would have shut down investigation into Russia’s hack-and-leak campaign, not just Trump’s potential role in it.

During the June 19 meeting, Lewandowski recalled that, after some small talk, the President brought up Sessions and criticized his recusal from the Russia investigation. 605 The President told Lewandowski that Sessions was weak and that if the President had known about the likelihood of recusal in advance, he would not have appointed Sessions. 606 The President then asked Lewandowski to deliver a message to Sessions and said “write this down.”607 This was the first time the President had asked Lewandowski to take dictation, and Lewandowski wrote as fast as possible to make sure he captured the content correctly.608 The President directed that Sessions should give a speech publicly announcing:

I know that I recused myself from certain things having to do with specific areas. But our POTUS .. . is being treated very unfairly. He shouldn’t have a Special Prosecutor/Counsel b/c he hasn’t done anything wrong. I was on the campaign w/ him for nine months, there were no Russians involved with him. I know it for a fact b/c I was there. He didn’t do anything wrong except he ran the greatest campaign in American history.609

The dictated message went on to state that Sessions would meet with the Special Counsel to limit his jurisdiction to future election interference:

Now a group of people want to subvert the Constitution of the United States. I am going to meet with the Special Prosecutor to explain this is very unfair and let the Special Prosecutor move forward with investigating election meddling for future elections so that nothing can happen in future elections. 610

By treating the Lewandowski direction in the same analysis as stuff that more directly pertained to the investigation into Trump himself, Engel and O’Callaghan applied the same (corrupt) conclusion — that there was no underlying crime — to the Russian hack-and-leak as they did to Trump’s efforts to maximize the effect of the hack-and-leak. That amounts to claiming that Russia’s hack of Hillary and the Democratic party was not a crime.

That also means they imply that Trump believed the investigation of Russian hacking would interfere with his ability to govern.

Engel and O’Callaghan’s treatment of the Lewandowski direction with the other obstruction introduces other absurdities into their analysis. For example, Lewandowski wasn’t a subordinate. Trump couldn’t fire Lewandowski for blowing off this order. They don’t consider how much sketchier that made this order: Trump was trying to bypass the entire official chain-of-command to shut down the Russian investigation, making this less a Presidential order than a personal one.

To be clear: I don’t really think Engel and O’Callaghan meant to argue that Russia’s hack of Hillary wasn’t a crime; O’Callaghan would have overseen the decision to charge both Russian indictments.

Perhaps they hadn’t read the Mueller Report closely enough in the seven and a half hours they had before they started drafting this memo to understand the distinction. Perhaps they simply didn’t expect their analysis ever to be made public, so they didn’t much care that lumping the Lewandowski direction in with the other obstruction revealed that they hadn’t thought through this analysis, at all.

Their sloppy treatment of Lewandowski is just another testament to the corruption embodied by this whole memo.

But there it is, analysis from men who’ve since been welcomed at Dechert and WilmerHale that, read literally, suggests they think it was legal for Russia to hack Hillary.

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  1. Patient Observer says:

    Marcy wrote:

    ***To be clear: I don’t really think Engel and O’Callaghan meant to argue that Russia’s hack of Hillary wasn’t a crime; O’Callaghan would have overseen the decision to charge both Russian indictments.

    Perhaps they hadn’t read the Mueller Report closely enough in the seven and a half hours they had before they started drafting this memo to understand the distinction. Perhaps they simply didn’t expect their analysis ever to be made public, so they didn’t much care that lumping the Lewandowski direction in with the other obstruction revealed that they hadn’t thought through this analysis, at all.***
    .
    One of the great tragedies of our time is the reality that between the knaves who know better and the fools they deceive, a substantial portion of the polity to this day will say that the “Russia Hoax” involved no wrongdoing on the party of ANYONE apart from those who participated in what the propagandists in rubber/glue style have framed as a phony exercise to undermine the 45th president.

    • Thomas says:

      Unless Trump is indicted for laundering money from Russian oligarchs into the Republican Party and then using that activity to bribe them, blackmail them, and to extort any crackpot nonsense that he wants a corrupt puppet to say.

      Money laundering statutes of limitations were lifted in May of this year, and Trump’s Russian oligarch friends are being investigated, and Leticia James has referred her information about Trump’s “Russian Doll structure” shell companies to SDNY.

      In addition, the NRA is being sued by Campaign Legal Center specifically about their use of shell companies to launder Russian money into the Republican Party.

      Is there a money laundering investigation? YES THERE IS. If Trump is found to be the facilitator of the most massive racketeering and influence peddling kompromat operation ever undertaken, and to have profitted from his pro-Russian treachery?

      Will that shut the mouths of every liar saying “Russia hoax?”

      Probably not. But the liars who matter won’t be influencing anyone from prison, where they will be until they die.

  2. WilliamOckham says:

    I’m not quite sure how you maintain your sanity while doing a close reading of that document. I’ve got half a mind to write an article exploring how it must have been inspired by Robert W. Chambers’ The King in Yellow, especially the short story called (and I’m not joking) The Repairer of Reputations.

    • emptywheel says:

      As I said when it first came out, it so thoroughly embodies (and later drove) some of the worst corruption of the Trump Admin that I’m actually a bit grateful there’s such a dense document embodying all the corruption.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Silly me, I thought computer hacking was generally a crime, no matter who did it. But I thought the same about obstruction.

      This line I thought had depths of meaning, many of them unintentionally funny. I never thought, for example, that Trump ever had any ability to govern.

      That also means they imply that Trump believed the investigation of Russian hacking would interfere with his ability to govern.

      • Steve in MA says:

        And I thought that just obstructing a federal investigation was a type of felony obstruction even if there was no crime committed. But IANAL.

  3. Rapier says:

    If I’m recalling correctly President Trump ordered Russia to hack and leak Hillary stuff. So of course it was legal.

    • Rita says:

      Trump the Candidate issued that directive to Russia. But I am sure that, under Bill Barr’s expansive view of the Presidency, misdeeds of someone who may become President are not proper subjects for investigation.

  4. Peterr says:

    But there it is, analysis from men who’ve since been welcomed at Dechert and WilmerHale that, read literally, suggests they think it was legal for Russia to hack Hillary.

    Do you suppose WilmerHale partner Robert Muller led the “welcome to the firm” party for this new partner?

  5. StevenL says:

    And the notion that interfering in a criminal investigation because you believe it is undermining your administration’s ability to govern is somehow legitimate and not indicative of a corrupt motive does not pass the straight-face test.

    • Hika says:

      Is that not just language to invoke the OLC’s 1973 memo that undergirds the DOJ’s policy that a sitting President cannot be indicted?

  6. Tom-1812 says:

    “But our POTUS … is being treated very unfairly.” Since when does a seventy-something multimillionaire President get to complain that life is unfair? Trump must have realized how fatuously lame and milquetoasty such a sniveling, self-pitying whine would sound coming from himself, so he gave the lines to Jeff Sessions to deliver on his behalf.

    Trump also wanted to make sure Jeff got his script cue to award his simple, dutiful, long-suffering, humble POTUS a sympathetic pat on the head, an orange sucker, and his choice of a sheet of stickers for his file collection. “He shouldn’t have a Special Prosecutor/Counsel …” Jeff was to declare. “He didn’t do anything wrong except he ran the greatest campaign in American history.”

    Wasn’t it Oscar Wilde who once asked, “Breathes there a man with soul so dead he can read Little Nell’s death scene and not burst out laughing?”

    • Hika says:

      “Trump must have realized … ” That’s the only error I can spot. Trump frequently engages in cringe-worthy self-pitying whinging about how unfair his mean opponents have been. It’s a key part of his narrative to build ‘victimhood’ solidarity with his supporters.

      • Tom-1812 says:

        You’re right. I’ve seen Trump do his “Poor me!” schtick at his rallies. I’ll be curious to see how such shameless public posturing squares with Josh “Man in Motion” Hawley’s notions of ‘manliness’ in his book due for publication next spring.

      • Purple Martin says:

        Yep, but he counters it with equally cringe-worthy bombastic self-aggrandizement. Just limiting it to politics, goes as far back as 2015 when he dictated the weird letter about his health to his personal doctor, and made the doctor release it under his own signature.

        https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/02/607638733/doctor-trump-dictated-letter-attesting-to-his-extraordinary-health

        “If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency,” Dr. Harold Bornstein, a gastroenterologist from Lenox Hospital in New York, wrote at the time.

        The letter said that a recent medical exam showed “only positive results” for the then-candidate and that “his physical strength and stamina are extraordinary.”

        However, Bornstein now tells CNN that Trump was the one who wrote it after all.

        “He dictated that whole letter. I didn’t write that letter,” Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday. “I just made it up as I went along.”

        This is one of the tests of totalitarian control. One doesn’t just make one’s followers lie; the lie must be so obviously, immediately, ridiculously false that everyone understands just how deep the degree of subjugated degradation the sycophant in question is wiling to endure (Sean-Spicer-inaugural-audience anyone?).

      • nord dakota says:

        No, he is constantly whining about people being unfair to him, probably (no specific example) saying people are saying to him “Sir, you are being treated so unfairly”.

  7. Hika says:

    “Moreover, in evaluating the nature of the President’s conduct, it bears emphasis that none of his requests to change the supervision of the investigation were actually carried out. The conduct under investigation is based entirely upon “directions” by the President to subordinates to take actions on his behalf that they did not undertake.”
    Is it not an obvious piece of analysis to conclude that the illegal actions that were asked for but not undertaken were refused by people who realized that such things were not legal and didn’t want to put themselves in (any more) jeopardy AND that Trump’s repeated use of underlings as cut-outs in delivering instructions to do illegal things simply indicates that Trump was aware that doing those things was illegal and to directly instruct such things was too risky for him personally? The fact that he didn’t obviously retaliate against people who failed to carry out his illegal instructions adds further weight to the argument that Trump knew that these things were illegal since failing underlings (family aside) would ordinarily get kicked to the curb.

    • timbo says:

      This. Fishing for corruption with corrupt intent is supposedly still a crime…unless you’ve lined up your toadies to excuse any malfeasance you might be caught at. It’s good that Twitler got booted out in the last election. Hopefully it sticks but…

    • PeterS says:

      No, all that is not an “obvious piece of analysis”.

      A disinterested visiting Martian might wonder if the people receiving the directions knew the giver of the directions was not being wholly serious.

      (Yes Trump is a truly awful human being and guilty of many things.)

      • Hika says:

        Yeah, because all the accounts of these ‘directions’ from Trump noted that he had his fingers crossed and was giggling as he told his underlings to do these things.
        “[N]ot being wholly serious.” Of course you’re not.
        I’d understand the joke a bit better if Trump had said, “Who will rid me of this turbulent priest/A-G/Special Counsel?”
        But of course, that would have required Trump to have listened in a history class once in his life.

      • John Paul Jones says:

        “A visiting Martian”. This sounds like a version of Nagel’s “view from nowhere.” The problem Nagel faced, and never really solved was that we don’t view the world as if from nowhere, that is, in a purely objective fashion, nor can we do so. The view is always implicated to some degree. The best view, I would think, would be one which asks what a reasonable person would think, looking at that evidence, and I think that such a hypothetical reasonable person would say – “That looks like an attempt to obstruct.” The Martians, in my view, are not in it.

    • Purple Martin says:

      But…we do not know that “…none of his requests to change the supervision of the investigation were actually carried out.” ‘Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.’ For one thing, Rod Rosenstein certainly did things that impacted (changed) supervision of the investigation.

      It is unlikely that no one, ever, refused an illegal order we don’t know about. Being retired military and understanding the reasons for our constitutional system of civilian control of the military, I followed that issue more closely in that context.

      During the first half of the Trump administration, credible reporting stated top military leaders privately acknowledged they routinely ignored much of the President’s direction. It seems they realized much of what he directs consists of non-serious, spur-of-the-moment whims that make little sense and contradict existing strategy or policy. They also learned that, mostly, Trump would never follow up. Only if it came up again, would they try to put something together to brief him of the consequences.

      This is not a good thing. While probably the best of bad choices, it set a dangerous precedent. Indeed, that unique danger to the US tradition of civilian control of the military is just one more factor in the existential threat Trump’s Presidency represented (and potentially continues to represent) to the U.S.

      • gmoke says:

        “Indeed, that unique danger to the US tradition of civilian control of the military is just one more factor in the existential threat Trump’s Presidency represented (and potentially continues to represent) to the U.S.”

        My understanding is that it was VP Pence who gave the military and National Guard the order to secure the Capitol instead of Trmp. If accurate, most people just let that slide, from the lack of complaints about this violation of the chain of command I’ve heard or read.

  8. Username_TBD_26AUG2022-0454h says:

    Is there any chance the OPR would censure Engel or O’Callaghan, given that their memo lacked full professional candor? Ignoring established law and writing to reach a desired end, rather than providing advice derived from existing caselaw — I feel like this is a memo Yoo would have written.

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  9. Ginevra diBenci says:

    “Perhaps they simply expected their analysis never to be made public … ”

    I think that’s where you nailed it, Dr. Wheeler. Like so many other accomplices to this corruption, they believed they would elide their own collusion. As, it seems, they have.

  10. Purple Martin says:

    [Sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to gmoke’s reply to me, above]

    Never broke through as a mainstream story but got a lot of attention in some circles.

    Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy (serves the role a governor serves for a state National Guard) was in off-and-on-contact with most of the players from 1pm-3pm Jan 6th. Around 3pm, Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller (Trump appointed Nov 9th 2020) approved Secretary McCarthy to “mobilize” but not “deploy” all available DC, MD and VA NG assets. VP Pence called SECDEF Miller sometime after 4pm and, according to Miller, asked for a timeline of when the military would have have the Capitol complex secured (anonymous source say the call was substantially more animated). Miller states that acting on his own authority, not on Pence’s direction, he gave McCarthy approval to deploy resources at 4:41pm. Some of this came out in the Jan 6 Committee public hearing that told the story of Jan 6th events.

    It’s all still under DoD and Jan 6 Committee investigation but not sure if there will ever be a full public report on the military angles.

    “Defense One” is a good source of such discussions (defenseone dot com…I subscribe to their daily “D Brief” headlines compilation). “The U.S. Naval Institute” is one of my favorites. Its blog is obviously Navy-centric but has a lot of DoD coverage (blog dot usni org … and has the only worthwhile Disqus commenting community I’ve ever encountered).

  11. Spencer Dawkins says:

    I have no ideal how Dr. Wheeler keeps her sanity along with keeping track of everything else she keeps track of.

    I’m impressed that she’s still resurrecting relevant points that she hasn’t shared yet from the early days of Barr’s Mueller report cover-up.

    And I still remember the day when I realized that Trump couldn’t state a single thought without pointing out how *very unfairly* he was being treated. If Sessions had released the statement Trump dictated, everyone who saw it would have pointed out the true author within seconds.

    And Trump would have complained how “very unfair” THAT was!.

    What. A. Child.

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