On Trump, the Anti-Semites, and the Coup Attempt: The Import of Nick Fuentes’ Reference to January 6

The first thing you should ask when you hear about Trump and the white nationalist is … which one?

After all, it wasn’t that long ago that Stephen Miller waltzed into Kevin McCarthy’s office on the day McCarthy became the presumptive nominee for Speaker of the House. Even if Trump gets the Republican nomination in summer 2024, that’s still twenty months off. But if Miller is driving the Republican House majority’s policy choices in the interim, it will have immediate effect. It will continue an institutional commitment from the Republican Party to policies built to respond to and feed more hate.

Plus, part of the loudest outrage surrounding Trump’s paling around with neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes — from people like Mike Pompeo and Chris Christie — is significantly a desire to undercut Trump in advance of a primary. If you’re opposed to white nationalists in the Republican Party, take on Miller’s central role in the party as a whole and also Trump’s continued ties with fascists.

If you’re a journalist who thinks the Fuentes dinner is newsworthy (it is!), then ask whether Miller’s continued central role in GOP policy is too.

Hell, if you’re a horserace politics reporter, consider writing a story about how damaging Miller’s policies have been for the GOP two midterm elections in a row.

And there’s a bit of the story that’s missing from most tellings of the story.

As Jonathan Swan tells it (with Zachary Basu), in addition to scolding Trump about his increased reliance on teleprompters, Fuentes also delivered the message that parts of the far right are disappointed with Trump, in part, because he has not supported January 6 attackers sufficiently.

Fuentes told Trump that he represented a side of Trump’s base that was disappointed with his newly cautious approach, especially with what some far-right activists view as a lack of support for those charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack.

  • Trump didn’t disagree with Fuentes, but said he has advisers who want him to read off teleprompters and be more “presidential.” Notably, Trump referred to himself as a politician, which he has been loathe to do in the past.
  • Fuentes also told Trump that he would crush potential 2024 Republican rivals in a primary, including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Trump asked for Fuentes’ opinion on other candidates as well. [italics mine, bold Axios’]

Not only doesn’t this sound like an unplanned encounter — at least from Fuentes’ side — but it affirmatively sounds like the kind of constituent ask that politicians of all stripes make when they discuss whether to endorse a candidate or not. Fuentes hated Trump’s announcement speech — too canned! — but he also warned that Trump needs to do more to support those being prosecuted for their role in Trump’s coup attempt. In his own livestream about the meeting, after reeling off all the Stop the Steal events Fuentes had been part of organizing, Fuentes said he would back Ron DeSantis over a “moderate Trump.”

Politico’s Meredith McGraw, who was the first to report that Ye and Fuentes were traveling together, also included that comment, and described how Ye’s video about the meeting included both Alex Jones and Roger Stone, as well as Karen Giorno, who attended the meeting and who had a role in a 2016 story just after Stone presented Trump with his notebook of all the calls he had with Trump during the 2016 election.

West went on to say he told Trump, “Why when you had the chance, did you not free the January sixers? And I came to him as someone who loves Trump. And I said, ‘Go and get Corey [Lewandowski] back, go and get these people that the media tried to cancel and told you to step away from.’” The video includes photos of former advisers including Giorno and Roger Stone, and also conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

Given how much of the rest of the discussion (and the private chat Ye posted afterwards) focuses on Jason Miller, who testified truthfully to the January 6 Committee, this also probably amounted to a request to get rid of Jason Miller, to get rid of Jason Miller in part because he won’t let Trump coddle Nazis and in part because he makes Trump use a teleprompter. This is how those close to Trump have always lobbied Trump on staffing decisions, after all.

The thing is, while virtually all reports of this meeting include the teleprompter comment, most don’t include the January 6 one.

While the NYT (Maggie bylined with Alan Feuer, one of the best journalists on January 6) described Fuentes’ role in pro-Trump mobs leading up to and on January 6, it doesn’t describe that Fuentes claimed about Trump’s insufficient support for those already charged. It also focuses exclusively on the America First arrests, not those with whom Fuentes organized mobs, like Alex Jones and associates.

During the dinner, according to a person briefed on what took place, Mr. Fuentes described himself as part of Mr. Trump’s base of supporters. Mr. Trump remarked that his advisers urge him to read speeches using a teleprompter and don’t like when he ad-libs remarks.


Mr. Fuentes, who attended the bloody far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017, is best known for running a white nationalist youth organization known as America First, whose adherents call themselves groypers or the Groyper Army. In the wake of Mr. Trump’s defeat in 2020, Mr. Fuentes and the groypers were involved in a series of public events supporting the former president.

At a so-called “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington in November 2020, Mr. Fuentes urged his followers to “storm every state capitol until Jan. 20, 2021, until President Trump is inaugurated for four more years.” The following month, at a similar event, Mr. Fuentes led a crowd in chanting “Destroy the G.O.P.,” and urged people not to vote in the January 2021 Georgia Senate runoff elections.

On Jan. 6, 2021, Mr. Fuentes led a large group of groypers to the Capitol where they rallied outside in support of Mr. Trump. The next day, Mr. Fuentes wrote on Twitter that the assault on the Capitol was “awesome and I’m not going to pretend it wasn’t.”

At least seven people with connections to his America First organization have been charged with federal crimes in connection with the Capitol attack. In January, Mr. Fuentes was issued a subpoena by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol seeking information about his role in it.

Other outlets, too, focused on the teleprompter comment but not the complaint about January 6 defendants: WaPo (which offers the most detailed account, from attendee Giorno), CNN, WSJ.

CBS described that Ye made a comment about January 6 in his video, just before he flashed images of Stone and Alex Jones.

The complaint that Trump has not done enough for already charged January 6 defendants (or, as Ye complained himself, not pardoned everyone) comes at a rather sensitive time. Of the January 6 defendants likely included in the seven Feuer cites, Christan Secor (holding the America First flag below) was sentenced in October by Trevor McFadden, who normally goes easy on January 6 defendants, to 42 months in prison.

More recently, the FBI arrested a group of 5 American Firsters in September, including former Fuentes deputy Joseph Brody (in the American flag mask and the suit in the picture above). One, Thomas Carey, is set to plead guilty on December 22, which will come with — at least — an interview on the others. And while DOJ portrayed groyper Riley Williams as having been radicalized by watching Nick Fuentes videos rather than in person, she was just jailed pending her February 22 sentencing, and any retrial on the hung charges (obstruction and abetting the theft of Nancy Pelosi’s laptop) might be easier if there was cooperation from others who were present in Pelosi’s office, as Carey may have been. Which is to say that the January 6 investigation into America First is getting closer to Fuentes himself.

But, particularly given Ye’s invocations of Stone and Jones in this context and Stone’s repeated complaints that Trump didn’t pardon him after January 6, those probably aren’t the only January 6 defendants Fuentes meant to invoke. Both Stone and Jones were named repeatedly during the Oath Keeper trial. Both are likely to be named in the upcoming Proud Boy Leaders trial. One Jones employee, Sam Montoya, pled guilty to parading on November 7. His plea agreement lacks the standard cooperation paragraph, which sometimes means that someone had to cooperate in advance to get the plea deal. And Jones’ sidekick, Owen Shroyer, is due to let Judge Tim Kelly know whether he plans on pleading at a status hearing tomorrow.

So the January 6 investigation is getting closer to Stone and Jones too.

Even some in Ye’s entourage have come under investigation, at least in Fani Willis’ investigation, for their role in Trump’s false voter fraud claims.

Trump’s meeting with Fuentes is a big deal. But it likely goes beyond, just, the fact that Trump was sharing Thanksgiving with noted anti-Semites. Both Ye and Fuentes used the meeting to raise Trump’s failures to protect those who helped his last attempt to seize power illegally.

And as Trump’s purported election campaign goes forward, those who participated in Trump’s coup attempt will likely continue to use their own exposure to leverage Trump’s.

Update: The Guardian just reported how Trump refused to criticize Fuentes.

Update: There are two other key America First defendants that have been sentenced, and got off easy. Most notably, Leo Ridge was permitted to plead down from obstruction to 1752, the more serious trespassing charge, after which Trevor McFadden sentenced him to two weeks in jail and a year of probation (meaning his punishment will be done around February).

And Matthew Baggott also pled to 1752, and was sentenced to three months. He’ll have a year of probation after he is released on Christmas eve.

61 replies
  1. harpie says:

    Here’s CapitolHunters with information on J6/FUENTES/GROYPERS

    5:57 PM · Sep 20, 2022

    #SeditionHunters – a big one has dropped, the first major arrest of Nick Fuentes’ Groypers: the neo-Nazi #SuitGuy, Joseph Brody, and his 4 friends (#SuitGuysFlock). This is a big one and some things about it are still embargoed – it will only get bigger. 1/ […]

    #SeditionHunters tracked and identified the whole Flock: Joseph Brody (#SuitGuy), Jon Lizak (#WhitePufferBrat), Paul Lovley (#BrownSweaterBrat), Thomas Carey (#MAGAPumpkinBrat) and Gabriel Chase (#BlackAdidasBrat). The charging documents are built on that meticulous work. 6/ [THREAD]

    • greenbird says:

      perhaps ms mcgraw would do a follow-up? …
      “Politico’s Meredith McGraw, who was the first to report that Ye and Fuentes were traveling together, also included that comment, and described how Ye’s video about the meeting included both Alex Jones and Roger Stone, as well as Karen Giorno, who attended the meeting and who had a role in a 2016 story just after Stone presented Trump with his notebook of all the calls he had with Trump during the 2016 election.”

  2. joel fisher says:

    News stories which portray Trump in a bad light are music to his ears. The vile scum who support him hear nothing but praise when the mainstream GOP and former Trumpers suddenly call it quits. The “My Dinner with Nick” event and it’s aftermath show the divide. The post-Trump high end scum who say, “I’m done” and the worshipers who get a boner every time Trump alienates someone who can read and write. The one thing hypocritical, former Trump scum don’t seem to get is that when the great Orange God calls out to his people, they listen, and more to the point, they come out and vote.

  3. Peterr says:

    (Maggie bylined with Alan Feuer, one of the best journalists on January 6)

    Bothsiderism at the NYT? Who could anticipated . . .

    • BobBobCon says:

      The only byline Haberman seems to share willingly is Schmidt, who is in the same editing/assignment pod, while Feuer reports up the chain to Metro, not the DC/Politics axis at the Times.

      This may be a sign of some editorial tension there. The DC crew is mostly pretty grossly cliqueish and they hate acknowledging the existence of other desks, let alone crediting any of their contributions.

    • meastman says:

      Thanks for sharing this article here – it is a fascinating and chilling compliment to Marcy’s. The shot of 10 or so American flags streaming in the wind under an image of Trump’s face, followed by an image of the Capitol, reminds me way too much of footage from the 1939 Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden in the short documentary “A night at the garden.”

      *I’ve updated my user name to meet the 8 character requirement. Thanks to all for your work producing and maintaining the site.

      [Thanks for updating your username to meet the 8 letter minimum. /~Rayne]

  4. Manwen says:

    I again appreciate the way you pieced this story together. It helps to explain two other stories of note. First, within 24 hours of the dinner, Marjorie Taylor Greene landslide winner of Georgia’s 14th district, sought to reassure Fuentes that Trump would pardon January 6 defendants if re-elected. https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-appears-reassure-070012430.html
    Second, Fuentes began to support Ye’s campaign at the expense of Trump. Byron York (of all commentators) had an interesting take on all of this. His story begins, interestingly enough, with Trump’s first three statements on the dinner that make him appear as feckless and spineless as he is. Then proceeds to explain how Fuentes used it to sell out Trump. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trump-gets-played
    There are so many agendas emerging through this dinner, it’s beginning to have as much fallout as the Last Supper.

  5. BirdGardener says:

    From Guardian article:

    “Trump ultimately made clear that he fundamentally did not want to criticise Fuentes – a product of his dislike of confrontation…” (emphasis added)

    “You’re Fired!” temper-tantrum Trump dislikes confrontation? Or just dislikes confronting people he’s only pretending to disagree with?

    I only started paying attention to him after he began campaigning for president in 2015, and failed to discern a dislike for confrontation. I suppose it fits the cowardice of the bully, but it still seems an odd way of viewing him. Is it correct, do you think?

    • TDBach says:

      Yeah, that makes no sense without some context. In fact, Trump thrives on conflict, wallows in it, is energized by it. What he tries to avoid is conflict he can’t see himself winning. Fuentes represents – at least tangentially – a not-insignificant segment of his base, so criticizing him is a losing “confrontation” at the outset.

    • gmoke says:

      It has been widely reported that Trmp himself does not say “You’re fired!” to anyone but his game show contestants. He doesn’t seem to be able to do it in real life.

      Like most bullies, he’s a scaredy cat when it comes down to actual, living, breathing confrontations.

    • Purple Martin says:

      As shown through a long history, what Trump dislikes and tries to avoid is face-to-face confrontation (unless scripted reality TV). In the real world, there’s no evidence he’s ever told anyone, in person, “You’re Fired.” Nearly always, he either tweets a past tense, ‘I fired X’ or ‘X is gone,’ or, he tells someone else to tell others they’re fired.

      But I think in this instance, the Guardian’s observation is wrong. The reason he’s not criticizing Fuentes is because Fuentes flattered him in a way that matches Trump’s self-image, which, again, matches Trump’s past reluctance to criticize those who slavishly repeat his sacred Big Lie and other MAGA gospel.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        As with Charlottesville, Trump’s refusal to speak ill of Fuentes is strategic as well. He does not want to jeopardize his standing with Fuentes’s fan base, just as in 2017 he sought to keep them in his flock with the “very good people on both sides” comment. And as in the 2020 “stand back and stand by” exhortation to the PBs. He’s happy to call Stormy Daniels “horseface” in public, but Nazis? Can’t alienate them.

      • Yorkville Kangaroo says:

        Yep. The Donald is a spineless piece of garbage. He would run a mile from any confrontation. I seriously doubt he was going to the Capitol. He said it for show and the alleged attempt to ‘grab the wheel’ was more of the same.

        I would wager that he is so gutless that he never ever uttered those words to anyone directly on the show. He was probably in some studio where he pre-recorded 30 or 40 takes of saying, “You’re fired!” which the producers then simply spliced into the show.

    • BirdGardener says:

      To the mods: does posting a simple “thanks” clog up the works? I can’t tell when you’re overloaded with troll posts, and don’t want to make your job harder.

      To everyone who answered my questions: thank you! Your replies were helpful, and I’m grateful.

  6. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Hugo Lowell must want to be the next Maggie Habs. He worked hard over several paragraphs to portray Trump’s “not wanting” to criticize a fascist as if it were a lack of support for fascists. If he borrowed that reportial technique, it probably sounded more persuasive in the original German.

    “Deference” to Trump’s base is not an accurate euphemism for outright support, nor is feigned ignorance and “halting response.” They more accurately reflect his hatred of accountability than his fundamental disagreement with the fascism espoused by his supporters.

    Why would Lowell repeat Trump’s self-serving denials, a la, “I didn’t know Nick Fuentes,” a form of denial that is usually a transparent lie to cover that he agrees with and knows him well. And which framing better supports Trump’s persona: stubbornly ignoring good advice or agreeing with advisers that a celebrity supporter is too extreme? As for the idea that Trump shies away from controversy, Lowell would have been more accurate to say that it is mother’s milk to him.


    • Buzzkill Stickinthemud says:

      “Fuentes? Don’t know him. But many people are saying he said nice things about me. Maybe he brought me a Big Mac once, I don’t know.”

      Wouldn’t the Secret Service have at least a slight interest in who Trump’s dinner guests are?

      • Ravenous hoard says:

        According to Anthony Guglielmi, no.


        Asked about Liu’s encounters with the president, the Secret Service’s chief of communications, Anthony Guglielmi, said, “There were no protective or safety concerns associated with these dates. The Bedminster Club is a private facility, and you will have to refer to organizers when it comes to who may have been allowed access to their facilities.”

      • Yorkville Kangaroo says:

        No. They’re just basically paid muscle now. Probably the dead end of all dead ends for an operative..

  7. Zinsky123 says:

    An ex-president who dines publicly with a well-known anti-Semite and white nationalist is indeed a big deal! Can you imagine if Bill Clinton had dinner with David Duke? Or Barack Obama had dinner with a Holocaust denier like Milo Yannapoulos (sp?)? We would never hear the end of the squeals of outrage from the right-wing media! Truly unprecedented.

    • gmoke says:

      I believe right wing media would support Clinton or Obama sitting down to dinner with white nationalists and anti-Semites. “They are finally seeing the light.”

      But if they had dinner with Bernie Sanders or, Heaven forbid, someone to the left of him, all hell would break loose.

      • Stephen Calhoun says:

        I think the fever corps would not be moved much by a sit-down between—in their view—two ‘Marxists’ such as Obama and Sanders.

        No, one would need to track back to already ripened agents of fevered conspiracy, so I nominate for a sit down with Mr. Obama: George Soros, Hunter Biden, or JFK Jr. !

  8. Scott Rose says:

    Among current Republican office holders, outgoing Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has given the most precise condemnation of Trump’s Thanksgiving conduct, but unfortunately, Hutchinson’s assessment of the Republican Party as a whole — he thinks Trump does not accurately represent it — is given the lie by the silence of McConnell, McCarthy and so on down the leadership list. Moreover, while it may not be fair to expect the lone Republican Jewish elected officials like Kusthof and Zeldin to speak out against Trump, their sniveling cowardice in failing to do so certainly is notable.

    • Molly Pitcher says:

      Asa Hutchinson’s condemnation of Trump’s meeting with Fuentes and Kanye, et al., is only of the grossest most sanctimonious and self serving variety. He has lost…100 ? 150 ? pounds to groom himself for his own run for the White House. His now grey hair is coifed to help him create the appearance of the wise elder stateman of the GOP. He started campaigning about a year or so ago.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      One thing to remember about the MAGA faction is that they vote as a bloc and cravenly follow Individual-1’s dictates. It is a huge proportion of the GOP primary electorate and anyone crossing them is cast out of the party. That means a continuing parade of RWNJs will be nominated which will then have to pivot for the general elections if their district isn’t gerrymandered.

      As for Individual-1 I am reminded of how when Napoleon escaped from Elba the press went from (paraphrasing) ‘the scoundrel has escaped from Elba’ through a couple of iterations to “the Emperor arrives in Paris”. It will be no different within the RWNM if Individual-1 gains traction, but the facts on the ground have changed with the multiple investigations and J6 revelations.

      Whether the courtier press reports on these events remains to be seen, but I get the sense that for now the tone isn’t as fawning as in 2015-2016. They know what Individual-1 is like in the job, and the posts on ‘Truth’ Social aren’t only admissions of guilt (about the docs) but also a clear indication to anyone that he hasn’t changed one bit.

  9. Ginevra diBenci says:

    Thank you, Dr Wheeler. I am most interested in your informed speculation about Jason Miller. If the Stone cabal succeeds in prying Trump loose from Miller, changes to his legal team–not for the better–will follow, with Tom Fitton dictating strategy. I keep waiting for Evan Corcoran to fold, but maybe he’s been waiting for just such a moment.

    • bmaz says:

      Can I remind you, please, that we are all pretty much “Dr.s” here? And so are a LOT of the people that comment here as well. To call one, and not acknowledge all the many others, is simply rude and bullshit.

      • mart7890 says:

        Back in the day my mom used my father’s Doctor title to get cheap magazine subscriptions. He was a physicist, so not going to a Dr’s waiting room, but made mom happy getting one over the man.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        How can I address people as Dr. when I have no idea that’s their title? I know only that Marcy Wheeler earned a doctorate, and addressing her thus is simply my way of showing respect.

        I too have a doctorate. I don’t expect anyone here to know that or address me accordingly. But Dr. Wheeler helms this ship; I know outsiders are watching; and I want to reinforce for all concerned a sense of her true authority.

        bmaz, calling this “rude and bullshit” makes no sense. It seems there is nothing I can do to evade your wrath so I stopped trying months ago, but this rebuke seems especially arbitrary.

        • bmaz says:

          Lol, and yet you don’t think I, Ed Walker, Jim White or a host of others here have actually “earned” our degrees? How is it you “know” Marcy has any certain degree but question anybody else on this forum?

          So, that is complete bogosity Dr. Ginevra. And, by the way Dr. Ginevra, I have been here “helming” this ship every bit as long as Marcy. We have all been around for a very long time. So “show respect” to all, as opposed to being a one off sycophant.

        • Rugger_9 says:

          Don’t hold it in, bmaz, you’ll just get ulcers.

          As for Jason Miller, professional scumbag that he is, I would agree with the idea that messaging coherence will suffer and it would mean that the already ineffective legalistic flailing will become even more ridiculous. Many of the filings up to this point were panned by pretty respectable authorities, including the 11th CA panel so one can only wonder how much worse it can get under Stone’s, Fitton’s and Eastman’s ‘guidance’. I don’t think ties have been cut with Eastman yet, but I’ll accept being wrong about that.

          Any news on Sidney, Jenna and the rest of the band?

        • Yohei72 says:

          Anyone calling someone “rude” because they address the site’s proprietor as “Dr.” would be bizarre. YOUR doing it is comically hypocritical. I’m not sure why EW continues to let you lower the level of discourse at her indispensable site with behavior that, especially lately, seems to border on some kind of personality disorder.

        • bmaz says:

          Call me Dr. bmaz.

          And, if you want to yap about the “discourse” here, you have no idea what you do not see. Instead of yapping like an internet Chihuahua, maybe appreciate the people that make things work.

        • solong tinman says:

          A few times a year, as a teacher of third and fourth graders, my ego would would rear up and force my foot so far down my throat the only way to proceed was to step out into the hall, wait fifteen or twenty seconds, then walk back in on a re-set.

          It was a way to use vulnerability to regain the credibility I’d given away.

          Eden is the conversation.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          Showing respect to one person (in this case the person who writes the vast majority of the posts related to the site’s stated focus) does not imply disrespect to anyone else. Go back and read all my comments, and you will see I have treated every one of the regulars here with appreciative respect.

          I would address everyone here as Dr. if that is what you want, bmaz, but I can’t for the life of me figure out what it is you want.

          I was hoping to hear more about Jason Miller; I value Rugger9’s take on this. Thank you.

        • Yorkville Kangaroo says:

          bmaz gets his knickers in a twist over this every so often for some reason. I doubted it was because he didn’t feel suitably aggrandized by others but now I’m not so sure..

          Whether I choose to call someone using an honorific really shouldn’t be any business of anyone else’s bmaz, nor should you be wasting OUR time by calling it out, much as you call others out for being ‘trivial’ from time to time because it is, in fact, trivial. Nor do we need the ad hominem.

          Most of us show full deference to all the people running this ship including you and calling out someone for calling Marcy Wheeler doctor (or telling others how to spell her name…I’m sure she’ll be happy to stick up for herself if she feels aggrieved) is basically trolling in my book not to mention supremely annoying.

          I’m a relative newcomer in here and I’ve had a very positive experience on this site but one of the ONLY negatives I have is exactly this. If you want to jump down my throat feel free but there has to be a limit to the amount and tenor of ‘prickly cactus’ that you throw at us.

          If it’s to teach us a lesson then fine but I fail to see what the lesson here might be other than, “I’m a pedant.”

  10. wetzel says:

    Incredible to suppose the participants in this meeting may have been exercising leverage within the framework of their criminal exposure for trying to overthrow the government. Everybody needs a wall with note cards and string going every direction to keep up with where you are at with this story, Marcy.

  11. Bay State Librul says:

    Who’da thunk that?

    Senator Whitehouse on the Supreme Court’s ethics evasiveness

    “Through legal counsel,” they said, “the Supreme Court reiterated Justice Alito’s denials but did not substantively answer any of our questions. The Court’s letter is an embodiment of the problems at the Court around ethics issues. Unlike all other federal courts, there is no formal process for complaints; it took a Senator’s and a Congressman’s repeated letters to galvanize a response.”

    The Senate Judiciary Committee needs to act — as the wheels are going off the road

    • Rugger_9 says:

      Congress does have the power within Article III to set the rules of conduct as well as change the makeup of SCOTUS. Binding the Justices to the framework they impose on lower courts is fair, and I would specify repeated offenses against the ethics code as being grounds for impeachment and removal. That sets the clear standard.

  12. Savage Librarian says:

    Which one of these individuals is not like the others: West, Fuentes, and Giorno? Hard to say? Well, which ones belong to the GOP: Grafty Opportunists’ Party, then? Not helping?

    I’m surprised that journalists didn’t immediately start considering some of the reasons why West, Fuentes, and Giorno might be sharing a taxi and dining together with Trump. If they did any minimal amount of research, they would have found ample info on Giorno (hint: Kiriakou, for example, but there are other things, as well) that would have allowed for far better reporting.

    As Marcy so generously points out to those ‘journalists’ who seem to need the help:

    “…Both Ye and Fuentes used the meeting to raise Trump’s failures to protect those who helped his last attempt to seize power illegally.”

    “And as Trump’s purported election campaign goes forward, those who participated in Trump’s coup attempt will likely continue to use their own exposure to leverage Trump’s.”

    • Savage Librarian says:

      Gotta wonder how Giorno came to be in Cambridge and then ended up giving this speech in London in May 2017 to the Henry Jackson Society. And why is Henry “Scoop” Jackson so honored there? Don’t forget to read the website’s ‘about’ page for some background.

      Giorno gave a long, rambling presentation, but there are some things you might find interesting. She even mentions that Mike Huckabee claims to be a FL resident. [He may even be registered to vote in the FL panhandle.]


      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        Thanks to both of you, harpie and Savage Librarian. These Florida-centric GOP operatives who seem to drop in and out of the most opportunistic campaigns, Giorno and Sue Wiles, play a much bigger part than you would judge from the attention paid them. If nothing else, they supply the social connective tissue between thin-skinned, competitive males; but there’s always something else going on, which is why they keep popping up.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      I wonder how much Sullivan’s ruling stands or falls based on the trials of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.

  13. skua says:

    In Australia the ABC, the national broadcaster, ignores the Jan 6 aspect and just focuses on the Republicans’ (weak) response to the white supremacist aspect:
    Reporter : Peta Fuller
    ” US Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell is the latest critic of the former president, after Mr Trump’s apparent dinner meeting with white supremacist, Nick Fuentes.

    Mr McConnell said anyone meeting with people advocating that point of view is unlikely to ever be president… “

    • Yorkville Kangaroo says:

      Reportage in Australia in respect to anything is generally pretty poor. They have few actual reporters and the ones that are on the ground basically parrot talking points or just regurgitate the newswires and larger MSM organistions. This doesn’t just apply to overseas reporting either. It’s also a problem nationally. Then you have the problem that Murdoch basically owns every private media outlet and the ABC and SBS are generally kept on a tight leash due to governmental budgetary constraints. Whilst I listen to the ABC it needs to be seriously augmented by accessing many other sources.

  14. earlofhuntingdon says:

    If Joe Biden is worried about the economic impact of a rail strike, he would be as entitled to ram an agreement past capital instead of labor unions. Using Congress to impose a mediocre deal on labor looks like a bad call, and a priority that goes back to the Robber Barons.

    • Yorkville Kangaroo says:

      Isn’t that what the other Sick Leave Bill is designed to do or am I missing something? It’s hard doing this from overseas.

  15. Badger Robert says:

    But will the Republicans use this as their excuse to get rid of Trump? If they stick to this excuse, will it work?

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